"all bikes lead to a Goldwing"

Having had both for a while, the main difference is what I call the chest area. :)
The ST is wider just under the tank due to the way the V engine sits.
The Wing's 6 cylinders are all down low where the ST is skinnier.
 
Interesting, not as much heavier than the ST1300 as I thought, and the weight is lower as is the seat. It should be even more manageable than the ST. Though of course the same would be true of the ST so equipped, but we’re used to seeing most ‘wings with a top box. That affects perception of size for sure.
 
Biggest PITA for me is that I can’t come close to fitting my st1300 saddlebag liners into my 2024 tour bags. They are small!
Also compared to most others, I am not digging the DCT. Convenient yes, fun no.
 
CDNolddude said:
Biggest PITA for me is that I can’t come close to fitting my st1300 saddlebag liners into my 2024 tour bags. They are small!
Also compared to most others, I am not digging the DCT. Convenient yes, fun no.
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Sorry to hear you're not digging the DCT, but it also reenforces my preference for the manual transmission version. That is, when I (most likely) eventually get a Goldwing.

That preference gave me pause when most everyone who has the DCT has reported that they love it. I can understand that, especially considering that it's so touring-oriented. Even so, I'm pretty sure I want to be in control regardless how smart the automatic transmission is.

And yes, I know that the automatic shifts can be overridden, but in my mind pushing buttons to choose a gear is not the kind of shifting that I have grown to love.
 
ddemair said:
And yes, I know that the automatic shifts can be overridden, but in my mind pushing buttons to choose a gear is not the kind of shifting that I have grown to love.
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I bought the optional foot shifter with my DCT. It works just like a manual shifter, other than the fact there's no clutch lever. You can use the foot shifter, and or the toggle shifters on the bars, in either manual or automatic mode. If in auto mode, it will eventually override and shift up or down if required.
 
CDNolddude said:
Biggest PITA for me is that I can’t come close to fitting my st1300 saddlebag liners into my 2024 tour bags. They are small!
Also compared to most others, I am not digging the DCT. Convenient yes, fun no.
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I agree the side cases on a Tour are a lot smaller than the ST's, as well as not being removable. The top case on the Tour (also not removable) is oddly shaped inside, but you can put 2 full faced helmets in it easily, unlike my OEM ST top case.
 
Obo said:
I bought the optional foot shifter with my DCT. It works just like a manual shifter, other than the fact there's no clutch lever. You can use the foot shifter, and or the toggle shifters on the bars, in either manual or automatic mode. If in auto mode, it will eventually override and shift up or down if required.
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I like the idea of a foot shifter - that would make it more 'natural' to me if I wanted to do manual mode.
 
ddemair said:
Sorry to hear you're not digging the DCT, but it also reenforces my preference for the manual transmission version. That is, when I (most likely) eventually get a Goldwing.

That preference gave me pause when most everyone who has the DCT has reported that they love it. I can understand that, especially considering that it's so touring-oriented. Even so, I'm pretty sure I want to be in control regardless how smart the automatic transmission is.

And yes, I know that the automatic shifts can be overridden, but in my mind pushing buttons to choose a gear is not the kind of shifting that I have grown to love.
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‘In our minds’ not liking is not a good substitute for trying and still not liking. There’s all sorts of stories where riders were pretty sure they didn’t want to like DCT and end up with one after a ride. Not for everyone of course.
 
I'm in year 5 with a 2020 DCT Tour (42,000 miles) , and having had both ST1100 and ST1300 ... there is no comparison ..... wing hands down. I ride "briskly" at times on bumpy Irish roads .... never touched anything down on wing ... even 2 up.
Recent tour to Portugal and back (3000 miles) - had 4 tankfulls with OVER 70mpg !!!! (74.0 on one) .... note that's proper gallons(4.546 Litres) Lots of go , lots of comfort , smooth would be an understatement ... just can't think of anything that would do the job better. (But I would like a long ride on the new Guzzi Stelvio)
DCT ... use the buttons to over-ride ,as necessary , but it rarely is .... the odd overtake , when something coming towards me ,means I need to get a move on .................
 
dduelin said:
‘In our minds’ not liking is not a good substitute for trying and still not liking. There’s all sorts of stories where riders were pretty sure they didn’t want to like DCT and end up with one after a ride. Not for everyone of course.
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First time on a DCT was when I rode my new Wing home about 150km from the dealer. I hated it. Thought I'd made the biggest waste of money ever. I couldn't wait to get off the bike. It wasn't until the next day when the Mrs. wanted to go for a ride on it, and we spent about 4-5 hours on it that I realized just how much it actually was a convenient feature, and only a small part of the overall Wing experience.
It's not really fair to compare a DCT to a manual, as they are different.
I figured out what I was doing: comparing the manual I was used to to a new way of doing something. Neither is wrong, just different. A DCT will never be like just like a manual without a clutch. It can't.
For those that love the DCT right out the gate, that's great; but not everybody does or will. Some may come to love it like I did, and some may never like it. It's just another feature about the bike you have to accept, regardless of loving or hating it.
 
Obo said:
First time on a DCT was when I rode my new Wing home about 150km from the dealer. I hated it. Thought I'd made the biggest waste of money ever. I couldn't wait to get off the bike. It wasn't until the next day when the Mrs. wanted to go for a ride on it, and we spent about 4-5 hours on it that I realized just how much it actually was a convenient feature, and only a small part of the overall Wing experience.
It's not really fair to compare a DCT to a manual, as they are different.
I figured out what I was doing: comparing the manual I was used to to a new way of doing something. Neither is wrong, just different. A DCT will never be like just like a manual without a clutch. It can't.
For those that love the DCT right out the gate, that's great; but not everybody does or will. Some may come to love it like I did, and some may never like it. It's just another feature about the bike you have to accept, regardless of loving or hating it.
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If I’m lucky I’ll pick up smaller bike (vstrom 650?) to enjoy a manual again. DCT isn’t enough to make me sell the wing.
F4 larger windshield also made a huge improvement to me for enjoying the bike.
 
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CDNolddude said:
If I’m lucky I’ll pick up smaller bike (vstrom 650?) to enjoy a manual again. DCT isn’t enough to make me sell the wing.
F4 larger windshield also made a huge improvement to me for enjoying the bike.
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I think installing foot pegs would help me on longer trips, although the price tag on them is ridiculous.
As for the windscreen, I don't mind the OEM.
 
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