Artemis II

ibike2havefun said:
This was a test. It was only a test.

As someone in the software / tech business, I'm sure you already know the axiom that you test one thing at a time. Otherwise, when you are analyzing a failure you don't really know for certain what caused or contributed to it.

Actually landing on the moon, and then leaving it to reunite with the orbiter, adds a whole lot more complexity to an already incredibly complicated mission process.

I haven't followed closely enough to know such basic facts as:
  • Did this mission even include a landing component?
  • If it did, was it real or an untested dummy?
  • If it was real, was there fuel for it? Were there provisions aboard? Did the toilets work?
  • Has the extraction, separation, rendezvous and docking process already been tested in space (purely terrestrially-based tests don't count, unless they turn up a flaw)?

Baby steps...
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This mission did not include a lander of any kind. It’s maybe comparable to Apollo 8 which orbited the moon but was also not equipped with a lander. Apollo 9 tested the lander, but in earth orbit only. 10 took the lander (LM) to the moon and tested undocking, decent (to about 9 miles), followed by ascent and re-docking, all in lunar orbit. No landing was planned.

I understand that Artemis III will test a lander (or landers) in earth orbit. A landing won’t be attempted until Artemis IV in 2028.
 
wjbertrand said:
I think for a lot of the media talking heads, weren't alive in 1969, so this was their first time. I got the feeling some of them had no idea what Apollo was until they started to prep for Artemis coverage, Some pretty dumb questions.

I'm loving it and glad that it's getting media attention, apathy (and an expensive diversion to the Space Shuttle) is in part I think what killed true manned exploration like Apollo. It all brings me back to the days when I was in high school and my Dad was an electronics displays and controls engineer at Rockwell before and throughout the Apollo program. He was part of the ground team for Apollo 10 and got to see the launch, then spent the mission at Houston, and finally was on the USS Princeton for the splash down and recovery.
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And even during the Apollo missions excitement, public interest and support faded... the launches mutated into "routine", focus drifted onto other issues, hence Apollo XVIII & XIX got scratched...

I for one am still a fan of the Shuttle, great concept, should have been evolved further... but we all know what political influence lead to...

Going to space is still hard, requiring lots of efforts, ingenuity, testing, rehearsals, retrieving back to the drawing board, etc...
Doing it 'step by step' (like during the Apollo program) is a wise concept...
 
Okay, now this is weird. I've read how people think the original moon missions were faked. Filmed on a movie set and all.

And then this pops up.
www.cypher-news.com

🔻Scary New Theory: What If The Artemis Mission Was Never About the Moon? - Cypher News

This new theory will have you questioning everything.
www.cypher-news.com www.cypher-news.com

Now look at the screens on the phones. Where's the astronauts? :rolleyes: And if the conspiracy theories are correct...how do you get so many people to go along with the lie? :rolleyes:

Just musings. :unsure: I have more important things to worry about today, like harvesting my grass before the next rain.

Chris
 
Daboo said:
Okay, now this is weird. I've read how people think the original moon missions were faked. Filmed on a movie set and all.
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My grandmother, who was born in 1907, didn't believe it was real. She'd have been 62 when the moon landing happened in 1969. You have to figure all the innovations and inventions that occurred in her lifetime that we now take for granted, so it's not a stretch some of them were for her, unbelievable.

Heck, there's even a whole slew of now-a-days folks who think 💉 are fake and a government control conspiracy...

Hmm, they do look like tiny rockets don't they. :nuts:
 
I was a Space Shuttle baby and have always been a NASA supporter. It is still the most complex and incredible machine I've seen.

All the naysayers cling to occams razor...the simplest explanation is usually the correct one. Space travel isn't simple. That's why scientists and engineers are paid good money to do the hard work, not nitwits. As much as I cannot stand Elon Musk, SpaceX has done incredible work to make space more accessible...credit those engineers working unpaid overtime and sleeping at their desks.

Ironically, the proliferation of technology is what is being used against NASA. AI and deep fake videos are so easy to create now that anyone can just say it's all faked. You can't even begin to convince them with their own eyes unless you strap them to the rocket...even then they'll say "oh there's just screens in front of the windows". I pity their feeble, closed minds as they stay grounded to their flat Earth.
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Daboo said:
...Just musings. :unsure: I have more important things to worry about today, like harvesting my grass before the next rain.
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...In the meantime. I took the wheels off the bike one more time while the tools were out and realigned the yellow dot with the valve stem on one and put some balance beads in the tires while I was at it.

Check the oil. It was black and on the low side towards "MIN". Checked my Excel spreadsheet and found the last oil change that I'd documented was back in August and about 9000 miles ago. Checked the bike's computer screen and it said I had another 9000 miles to go and till next August...and decided to change the oil.

Mowed the lawn...it's a lot smaller than the last house's lawn. Trimmed a couple places where the mower couldn't do a good job. Used the leaf blower to clean up the clippings. Washed the mower and put it away.

Went back into the garage and put the tools away.


...and now what was all this about the moon launch? :D :D :D

Chris
 
Paul Simon got it right when he wrote -

Still a man hears what he wants to hear
And disregards the rest

My initial goal was to be an aerospace engineer similar to my uncle who worked in the space program at Huntsville.
Life didn't turn out that way but the space program has always fascinated me from a young child.
A trip to the Huntsville Space Center is a real treat if you have never been there.
 
Pretty neat either way as my Uncle was there during the hayday with Nasa as an engineer in Landing and Re-entry. He has some great stories. Started in 63 and retired in 96. Worked on Apollo, Skylab, Space shuttle and space station programs. Worked with a lot of good people you've heard of and some who did not make it. I'm pretty proud of him. He moved back to Tenn and lives across the street from my Dad. He's pretty humble about it but I can get him to talk sometimes.
 
Obo said:
My grandmother, who was born in 1907, didn't believe it was real. She'd have been 62 when the moon landing happened in 1969. You have to figure all the innovations and inventions that occurred in her lifetime that we now take for granted, so it's not a stretch some of them were for her, unbelievable.
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My grandmother thought the microwave was "Black Magic"...
 
Agree 100% with the sentiments of youngsters (comparably speaking) seeing this as pure Jules Verne stuff. If only they knew who Jules Verne was.

Like many of you I'm more than old enough to (that's not a slight, LOL) to remember the very first 'To the Moon, Alice!' steps towards lunar landings. Not to mention the family crowding around the TV to watch the very first moon landing. We all knew it was the stuff of Jules. And knew who he was.

Personal feelings aside I watched decades later as a SpaceX booster returned to the launch pad in a perfect landing. Later I watched as TWO booster retuned in perfectly synchronized landings like some fantastic ballet. It was something straight out of Forbidden Planet. I was once again amazed and thrilled about the possibility of space travel. Way too late for me. Maybe for the rest of the world. But maybe — just maybe — not.

So Artemis II maybe be old hat for some. It wasn't for me. And I'm thrilled that it's not for generations of those that follow ours. To boldly go where no one has gone before — that's huge.

On that note I hope to see Project Hail Mary before it's gone from theater. IMAX rules!
 
Nexus said:
My grandmother thought the microwave was "Black Magic"...
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Clarke's Third Law: Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.
My grandmother might have thought the same. Fortunately my Mom didn't and we got one. I might have thought that but fortunately was already something of a Sci-Fi fan. At one point I wondered what if a microwave had been used in the Test of the Gom Jabbar.

I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that
brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over
me and through me. And when it has gone past, I will turn the inner
eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing.
Only I will remain.​

Paul Maud'Dib – the Test of the Gom Jabbar
Me – counter steering
 
Interesting thread; enjoyable comments. A thought or two . . .

You ride a mile and you have a mile of experience under your belt. You ride a million more and . . . you have a mile of experience under your belt.
Shuey

This NASA PR boost cost billions which could have been spent on many other programs like hunger, housing, infra-structure (think bridges and roads to ride on).

We also spend billions on telescopes to magnify distant galaxies and objects so we can get a closer look. I'm somewhat confused why viewing the back side of the moon from farther away than previous visits is beneficial.

I'm glad all went well and that new generations were able to share in the excitement.

Shuey

PS: "My grandmother thought the microwave was "Black Magic" . . . it isn't?

PPS: The newest 'black magic' to come into my house is an "induction cooktop." Stove cooking surface stays cold and only the iron based pan heats up. The cook surface magnets excite the iron in the pot/pan. Take away the pan and you can put your hand on the stove without getting burned! :oops:
 
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