Autocom Active-Rider and SonyEricsson?

h0nd4r1d3r

Does anybody know how I can get both cell and music operation out of my SonyEricsson W580i Walkman cell when coupled with my Autocom Active-Plus?

Any help would be appreciated, I am currently looking at this:
http://www.accessorygeeks.com/25mm-sony-ericsson-k750-adapter.html

I have purchased this:
http://www.sourcingmap.com/35mm-stereo-headphone-converter-adapter-for-sony-ericsson-k750-jack-p-25593.html

...but it doesn't allow me to talk on the phone (I can hear the caller, and my music but they can't hear me talk).

Basically I don't understand the Autocom or the cell, and thus don't know what i am doing...

Any help would be appreciated.
 
I don't know that set up for sure but from what you posted it looks like the following.

What you have is a 3.5mm headphone jack this only has conductors for stereo music. It does not appear to have the conductor for the mic. This would explain why you can hear music and people on the phone but they can't hear you.

The other item you posted is a 2.5 mm connector that will have conductors for mic and mono sound. Keep that in mind. It isn't going to give you stereo sound. You will also need something on your autocom with a 2.5 male jack so that you can plug it into the adapter.

does that help?
 
You need to buy the Autocom Bluetooth adapter so that you can use the phone to make calls. Not sure how the Autocom will react if you also have it plugged into another input for the mp3 player.
 
So I take it that I can not have stereo sound and phone unless I go bluetooth? Oh well... thanks for the quick replies.
 
h0nd4r1d3r said:
So I take it that I can not have stereo sound and phone unless I go bluetooth? Oh well... thanks for the quick replies.
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You may not have stereo with Bluetooth either. Unless the phone and the Autocom BT adapter are A2DP they will just do mono over BT.

I am not saying that it can't be done you may just need to find the right adapter for the phone and I don't think you have found it yet. I don't know that it is made for sure.

Look at this link

Stereo Autocom Cable

As you see it is a 4 lead or 4 conductor cable. You need one for the mic, one for left ear, one for right ear and one for ground. Most likely the 3.5mm cable you were using is only a 3 lead wire. The is missing the conductor of the mic.

I think what rush2112 was talking about was to use the bluetooth for the phone part and leave your 3.5 connector in place so you have stereo sound. That may work.
 
I looked up your phone and it does support A2DP so as long as the Autocom devices supports it that would be the way to go.

Or you could probably use some cheap MP3 player for your music and use the 2.5mm cable for the phone. The Autocom will take care of switching inputs for you.
 
Autocom Bluetooth is not Stereo Bluetooth. I think the safe bet is to use an additional mp3 player in the Aux 2 input and buy the Bluetooth adapter for Aux 1.
 
rush2112 said:
Autocom Bluetooth is not Stereo Bluetooth. I think the safe bet is to use an additional mp3 player in the Aux 2 input and buy the Bluetooth adapter for Aux 1.
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If he is going that route it may be less expensive to go with the 2.5mm connector. I couldn't find the Bluetooth adapter on Autocom's site but isn't it something like $150? Sure it would be easier to no plug in the phone each time so I guess that would be a decision he will have to make.
 
sennister said:
If he is going that route it may be less expensive to go with the 2.5mm connector. I couldn't find the Bluetooth adapter on Autocom's site but isn't it something like $150? Sure it would be easier to no plug in the phone each time so I guess that would be a decision he will have to make.
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The 2.5 connector will only allow him to listen to the caller. He won't be able to carry a conversation. You are right, the bluetooth adapter is not cheap. You can get in touch with Kieth, notice the spelling, on this site for assistance.
 
They have this listed on the web site.

Sony Adapter

It is out of stock but looks like it is the same thing that he is considering. If they sold this adapter I assume they also have a cable that uses the 2.5mm jack. Of course I don't see it on the page.
 
It's the phone.

I have this phone , really like it, but I have not been able to get to work with my Motocom system. I have bought all sorts of adapters in the past year and a half . Only have four months left on my contract and ATT will provide another phone. I have learned my lesson about phones, the next one will be returned if it does not work on the systemPaul:biker:
 
Wow, thanks for all the info... I'll post about how it worked out for me when I get it all together. My thoughts are I will use the 3.5mm jack for the radio and mp3 as well as the bluetooth for calls. I bought a Garmin 2730 with XM antenna which a vendor offered to buy from me for $100 credit towards the bluetooth adapter.

Now the Garmin motorcycle mounting kit has a 2.5mm jack, which seems to be some special cable as well... the saga continues :(
 
h0nd4r1d3r said:
Wow, thanks for all the info... I'll post about how it worked out for me when I get it all together. My thoughts are I will use the 3.5mm jack for the radio and mp3 as well as the bluetooth for calls. I bought a Garmin 2730 with XM antenna which a vendor offered to buy from me for $100 credit towards the bluetooth adapter.

Now the Garmin motorcycle mounting kit has a 2.5mm jack, which seems to be some special cable as well... the saga continues :(
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Now I can help you with the Garmin 2730 as I have one of those. The thing with the 2.5mm connector on the Motorcycle cable is that is going to be Mono as well. If you want stereo out of the 2730 you have to use the 3.5mm headphone jack on the side of the unit. Going through the menus you can tell it to either be headphone out or line out. I discovered a way to "hack" the 2730 to free up more space. The sacrifice is that you will loose detailed road data on some states. If you do most of your riding in a limited part of the US it may be fine for you. Even if you don't load the detailed maps for a state it will still show major cities and highways/interstates so navigating through them wouldn't be an issue. For instance I have Mn, IA, WI, ND, SD, FL & AZ loaded with detailed maps. I have AZ and FL loaded as we have family there and fly there every now and then. With this load I was able to free up 1.8GB of storage for music. If you have the XM antenna you can listen to that as well. I would prefer using this for music over the phone because it is likely it will be easier to control.

If the vendor is buying the Garmin 2730 with the XM Antenna for $100 in credit I would say you are getting taken. I sold the XM antenna here for $125 and kept my 2730 for use on the bike. I didn't want XM as I don't ride enough to justify the monthly expense and I have never been able to find anything that I really like on XM. Keep in mind that the Garmin XM Antenna is $250 from Garmin and there are a lot of people here with Zumos that can use that antenna. I am sure you could easily find someone to buy the antenna for $100 here and keep the rest of the GPS.
 
sennister said:
Now I can help you with the Garmin 2730 as I have one of those. The thing with the 2.5mm connector on the Motorcycle cable is that is going to be Mono as well. If you want stereo out of the 2730 you have to use the 3.5mm headphone jack on the side of the unit. Going through the menus you can tell it to either be headphone out or line out. I discovered a way to "hack" the 2730 to free up more space. The sacrifice is that you will loose detailed road data on some states. If you do most of your riding in a limited part of the US it may be fine for you. Even if you don't load the detailed maps for a state it will still show major cities and highways/interstates so navigating through them wouldn't be an issue. For instance I have Mn, IA, WI, ND, SD, FL & AZ loaded with detailed maps. I have AZ and FL loaded as we have family there and fly there every now and then. With this load I was able to free up 1.8GB of storage for music. If you have the XM antenna you can listen to that as well. I would prefer using this for music over the phone because it is likely it will be easier to control.
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OK this was great info... so it turns out that I am going to hack my connector to accomplish both stereo music and phone capabilities. I already have the phones pin assignments:

http://pinouts.ru/CellularPhones-P-W/se_k750i_pinout.shtml

Now all I need to know is if I buy a 3.5mm 4-pole plug from Radio Shack, which lead to connect where?
 
roadriderg said:
refer to this autocom flyer. Upper right hand corner gives pin outs for each port.

http://autocom.co.uk/pdf/Active PLUS Aux Sockets.pdf


Gary
:04biker:
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Thanks to RoadRiderG for pointing out the Autocom pinouts for Aux 2:

Tip: R Speaker
Ring 1: L Speaker
Ring 2: Mic
Sleeve: Earth

So one more question for you electrically minded individuals... Pins 3 & 4 are Mic + & - respectivly on my cell. Will I need to create a circut in order to convert the Autocom Mic output into a usable form for the cell to understand? Somthing along the lines of the optional circut described here?
 
For posterity's sake...

I have created a cable that successfully transmits voice and stereo sound to AUX2 on the autocom.

I took the adaptor
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, pulled back the soft outer coating and clipped off the 3 leads. It is important to note this connector has pins 2-9, just not all are used.

I then purchased some 4 lead shielded wire and a 4 pole 3.5mm connector from here.

I soldered one lead to each of the 4 poles and the corresponding lead at the phone as follows:

Tip: Pin 6 (DTMS/SP_R)
Ring 1: Pin 5 (DFMS/SP_L)
Ring 2: Pin 3 (Mic+/AUXIN_L)
Sleeve: Pin 2,4,8,9 (SP_REF, Mic-/AUXIN_R, VPPFLASH, GND)

In line with Pin 3 is a 10uF capacitor to remove the 2V DC used to power the amplifier that is usually needed for the handsfee set. Pin 8 is included in the ground in order for the phone to recognise it should go to handsfree mode.

I set the phone to auto answer and low and behold all seems to work well, though as pointed out in this thread AUX2s volume is reduced 50% when I talk. All in all I spent (including shipping) about $25, and had a bit of fun working this all out. The cables came out pretty darn professional looking and I am a happy camper. All I really need to do now is fix this volume reduction on AUX2 and I am all good :D
 

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rush2112 said:
Autocom Bluetooth is not Stereo Bluetooth. I think the safe bet is to use an additional mp3 player in the Aux 2 input and buy the Bluetooth adapter for Aux 1.
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That's how I do it. I used to have my phone plugged into my Active Plus AUX 1 and it would auto answer and mute the music from my iPod. The problem with that set up was that I kept the phone plugged in under the seat and had to dig it out if I needed it at stops. Now, since I added the Autocom BT adapter, as soon as I turn the bike on my phone (which is now in my pocket) automatically BT's to the system. I should have done this a long time ago.
 
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