Bazzaz !!!

Okay,,, so I have been having some great rides, in this warmer than expected March weather. Even having to break out the lighter jacket at times. I have been playing with the data logger (Z-afm),,, and the mapping software (Z-fi). And am currently on my 3rd iteration of the evolving fuel map #1. More on that in a minute,,, as I want to first summarize the major points of work done so far to refine,, and hopefully, increase the overall performance of my '04 ST1300.

1- clean and re-plumb the 5-way map sensor tee.
2- new Iridium plugs
3- new air filter
4- PAIR valve removed
5- perform a throttle body sync/starter valve sync
6- remove oem O2 sensors
7- install Z-fi and Z-afm kits,, c/w dual fuel map handlebar switch
8- fuel with Shell 91, non ethanol
9- Delkavic slip-on's, c/w baffles installed (I have had those for a while)

So once I sorted out the connection issues,, which caused some mis-fires, the engine has performed reliably. It is early,,, but when using race bike technology on a Sport/Touring bike,,, reliability is always going to be a concern,, until successfully demonstrated. Starting has been excellent,,, since the injector connections were properly made,, and there have been no further MIL/FI lights. I have put about 500km on the bike so far. Essentially,, the engine has been converted from a closed loop air/fuel ratio management system,, to an open loop (hope I have not got the open/closed thing switched) a/f system,, which is adjustable via the Bazzaz hardware and software. So ultimately,,, it was time to start mapping,,, and you have to start somewhere,, and use some sort of strategy towards the desired end result. I chose to start with one of the two supplied maps, which were developed by Bazzaz. My best information is that they were developed for police competition ST1300's,, which were described as "enhanced". Those engine enhancements were likely limited to K&N air filter,, higher pressure fuel pressure regulator,, stock exhaust,,, due to competition rules. But I felt that map would make a good starting point,, and it seemed to have a bit stronger acceleration than the other supplied map.

The goal was to create a map suited to my bike and local riding conditions. So I headed out for a 20 minute ride,, with the Z-afm data logger activated. I tried to drive as I typically would ;-). When I got back to the shop,, I downloaded the data,, and the Z-fi software seemed to suggest that I have an over developed throttle wrist,, which was contributing to a pretty lean fuel burn,, through the most useful acceleration range. So I accepted the software's recommendations to correct the lean burn,, and went out for another ride to collect new data. This ride was much smoother,, and as I reported earlier,,, my fuel consumption was reasonably lower,, by about 8%-10%. Shift points were about 6500-7000rpm,, so not exactly hyper-miling. Attached photo's show the Z-fi usb hookup,, to my little notebook. The closeup shows the #3 map that I have currently loaded,,, and now need to test for further adjustment. It will be an ongoing process of refinement, to suit this particular bike. The other close-up shows the actual fuel/air ratio's measured,,, and is a good illustration of how lean it was running initially. The handlebar shot shows how I attempted to make a rough analog throttle opening indicator,,, which matched up very closely to the digital meter on the Z-fi/notebook. That was a good quick reference when out on the road. I was surprised how most of my accelerations were white knuckled at only about %50 throttle openings, max. Openings above %50 seem useful only for trying to breaking the sound barrier,, and my local 80kph roads are not very well suited for that. I once read a magazine article describing the ST13's airbox as one of the best ever designed. And I suspect that it is the tuned velocity stacks that make that true, and which help provide excellent torque. So I have my work cut out for me,,, further refining this local map. Then,,, I plan to work on a distance/altitude map,,, just perfect for a near future trip to such terrain (purely for testing purposes, of course). Okay,, enough updating for now. I will be back in a couple of days !!,,, cheers,,, CAt'

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Wow this is great news! Glad you're having fun playing with maps. I did that on my old FZ1 a lot. I'm waiting on the nay sayers to chime in that they need to see dyno runs and data points. :biggrin:

Sometimes a bike that feels better is all you need. :thumb:
 
Glad to see you are up and runnin with it. Keep us posted on results. This is interesting stuff
 
Variable weather and a last chance at some kind of ski season, has kept my bike in the garage more than expected lately. But our latest covid lockdown started today,,, and that will allow me a bit more time for Bazzaz tweaking. To date,,, I have logged enough time on the new setup to develop a half dozen fuel maps. This is race track technology,, and I can see that the way it would be used in that environment would be as follows. A base fuel/air map for the bike in question would either be created on a dyno,,, or downloaded from the Bazzaz library (as I did),, and this makes a good starting point. Then each visit to a new track provides an opportunity to further tune the base map and optimize it for those track conditions, equipment changes, and rider style. As a sport touring rider, the world is my track. And the Bazzaz controller allows me to carry and choose between two onboard maps (via the handlebar switch). So I have been learning a bit about the air/fuel ratio characteristics of our FI system,,, and have developed 2 maps. One for local Sport riding,, and one for distance Touring. There is more than one might think to learn. But now I have the tools to allow adjustments to be made.

So first is the map #1,,, the Sport (local area) map. You can see how lean my ST13 runs,, with the mod's listed earlier in this thread, and while heavy throttle applications are being used. The Bazzaz controller wants to throw a bunch of extra fuel at it,,, to get the a/f ratios down from the 15.5 range to the target 13.0 range.
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Map #2 (touring) has been easier to get dialed in,,, but it still pulls stronger and smoother than the oem setup. I feel it is close enough now,, to do a fuel consumption comparison,, and will do so soon.

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Generally speaking,,, red = lean = hot = bad ,, blue = rich = cool = dirty,,, green = good = safe = clean,,, based on a 13.0 a/f target. At first,,, I was surprised that most of our s/t riding is done at such low throttle openings. %20-30% is pretty typical of our performance range. I had one really hard acceleration today at %50. Torque is king on the street,,, and horsepower is just nice to talk about. So there are some Saturday night ramblings,,, c/w pictures,, happy holidays all,,, CAt'
 
I thought stoichiometric ideal was 14.7:1, but you are targeting something considerably richer: 13.0:1, right? Am I mis-reading that?
 
I thought stoichiometric ideal was 14.7:1, but you are targeting something considerably richer: 13.0:1, right? Am I mis-reading that?
You are right about the ideal "Stoich" being 14.6/14.7, NS. That is the theoretical perfect A/F ratio, that results in complete combustion, with no residual unburned hydrocarbons remaining. My understanding is that, in theory that is true,,, but in practice combustion is not uniform throughout the chamber for a number of reasons. So to achieve various goals such as, max power production, or max economy, or max reliability,, etc. various target ratio's may be chosen. 13.0/13.2 is the Bazzaz recommendation as a starting point,,, and remember,, this is a race focused system. But I think it can be applied toward the opposite end of the spectrum too. All that red ink in my map #1 photo shows that I am quite lean under high loads,, which makes me a bit uncomfortable. I have more work and refinement to do there. Bazzaz has been great about answering my questions,,, but you have to remember that their focus is helping their customers win races. The software does give me the ability to skew and tweak the fuel delivery,, across the throttle openings and rev ranges. But that is complicated by conflicting desires at different speeds. I am still trying to figure that part out. Like trying to have my cake and eat it too. Speaking of cake,,, it is breakfast time,,, cheers,, CAt'
 
Hey Alan, I remember you contemplating trying to get a laptop/tablet to go portable on the bike for "live view". Were you able to accomplish this, or is everything downloaded and reviewed later?
 
Hey Alan, I remember you contemplating trying to get a laptop/tablet to go portable on the bike for "live view". Were you able to accomplish this, or is everything downloaded and reviewed later?
Hi B,,, I found a decent nearly new windows notebook on kijiji for a $100,,, which does everything I need it to do. It will travel well,, but it is not really suited for mounting to the bike,,, because when the keyboard detaches, then you can not plug the usb cable into the tablet. But it is handy enough to carry in the centercase anyway. I have to get a carrying/jacket style case for it. But I am sure it will be traveling with me on trips. cheers,,, and happy holiday,,, CAt'

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This is my little pc plugged in to the ST. The following link is an 8+ year old video (uses the old software) of a guy updating his mapping either on the street,, or in his driveway. Then he is heading out to record some new data.

 
Hi B,,, I found a decent nearly new windows notebook on kijiji for a $100,,, which does everything I need it to do. It will travel well,, but it is not really suited for mounting to the bike,,, because when the keyboard detaches, then you can not plug the usb cable into the tablet. But it is handy enough to carry in the centercase anyway. I have to get a carrying/jacket style case for it. But I am sure it will be traveling with me on trips. cheers,,, and happy holiday,,, CAt'

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This is my little pc plugged in to the ST. The following link is an 8+ year old video (uses the old software) of a guy updating his mapping either on the street,, or in his driveway. Then he is heading out to record some new data.


That system is pretty cool
 
I thought stoichiometric ideal was 14.7:1
That is the theoretical perfect A/F ratio, that results in complete combustion, with no residual unburned hydrocarbons remaining.
If I am not mis-remembering the chemistry lessens surrounding air fuel ratios, 14.7:1 is the ideal ratio for burning pure gasoline, which is how the tests were done to arrive at this specification. The gasoline that we purchase at the pump has many different types of additives and detergents in them. All of these affect the combustion process and change what the ratio needs to be to arrive at the same ideal combustion result.
 
I wondered if it was going this way, when I saw the website divided between the bike products and a new industrial product developers effort. Then the bike products were dished off to what appeared to be a race bike oriented outfit on another website. I spoke with that new distributor,, and they did not show the level of expertise that Bazzaz always did. So I have to agree with Pyro. While I am happy with my installation, and will continue to develop it, I can't recommend that anyone that anyone else go down the same path. On last July 28th I had an accident that interupted my Bazzaz project (BlueSTar). But the bike is rebuilt now,,, and ready for spring road testing. If my Bazzaz controller tanks,,, I'll unplug it and revert to oem. Fortunately, the outcome of my crash resulted in a sweet 2012 named ThunderSTruck being added to the stable,, so I am not without a ride. If I had to guess,,, I would say that Power Commander ultimately ate Bazzaz's lunch,,, with the street crowd being so much bigger than the track world. I'll keep this thread alive, when I have something to add,,, cheers,, CAt'
 
I was not aware that Bazzaz had posted this farewell notice,, until I discovered it this afternoon. But it is what it is,,, and this would seem to be a good place to document it. For the record,,, I would just like to say, that I found the tech's there very helpful and great to work with,,, cheers,, CAt'

To our customers and dealers,

The Bazzaz team would like to thank you for the many years of support and loyalty to our products.

As of 1/1/22 Bazzaz will no longer offer support for the Bazzaz engine management line (Z-Fi, Z-Fi TC, QS4, ZAFM).

Although YFI racing will not be offering technical support for Bazzaz products except for customers who purchased directly from YFI Racing, many QS4 kits, accessories, and spare parts will be available through them. www.yfi-racing.com.

You can also contact YFI Racing at sales@yfi-racing.com if you do not find what you are looking for on their site.

The Bazzaz website will remain to offer customers access to installation instructions, fuel map database, and technical support documents. The technical support documents utilize the same diagnosis steps that the Bazzaz technical support team has worked from since the beginning so they should be very helpful.

The Big Three: double-check these three common culprits:

  1. The Bazzaz ground lug is properly secured to a non-insulating chassis ground. Test this by temporarily grounding the Bazzaz ground lug directly to the battery negative terminal and checking to see if this resolves the issue.
  2. The vehicle has fuel and there are no obstructions (such as a fuel line kink) that could affect fuel delivery.
  3. The Bazzaz control unit powers up. Turn the key on and the control unit should illuminate blue. If it does not, re-check the 12V power source connection
Bazzaz tuning software and software manual
https://bazzaz.net/software/software-overview/

Principia dyno software and software manual
https://bazzaz.net/software/principia-software-side/

Fuel map database
https://bazzaz.net/fuel-map-database/

Engine management wire color guide
https://bazzaz.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/kb-bazzaz-wiring-diagram-1.pdf

Not starting or running properly
https://bazzaz.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/not_starting-2.pdf

Quick shifter troubleshooting
https://bazzaz.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/QS_Cutting_Out.pdf

Software troubleshooting
https://bazzaz.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/Z-Mapper-software-troubleshooting-1.pdf

Traction control settings
https://bazzaz.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/kb-bazzaz-traction-control-supplement-1.pdf

Traction control troubleshooting
https://bazzaz.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/tc_trouble_shoot-2.pdf

ZAFM troubleshooting
https://bazzaz.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/zafm_flow_chart-2.pdf

ZAFM O2 sensor installation
https://bazzaz.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/O2sensor-data-sheet-2.pdf

Z Bomb integration
https://bazzaz.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/kb-bazzaz-z-bomb-integration-1.pdf

Best regards,
Bazzaz team
 
Funny I had a stoichiometric problem myself this afternoon; a couple boilers running with 2.5 and 1.6 percent oxygen, you know, like the manufacturer said they ought to in order to achieve a 96% efficiency rating, anyway, after years of excessive nitrides of oxygen and carbon monoxide barfing, and daily [can you imagine?] data logged flame failure resets, going back like _______ years. I crushed the fuel which increased the excess air, which improved the mix, which stabilized the burner... which reduced the efficiency by five or six percent; - whaa!!, oh wait... it's almost getting boring... and so... [hey, where did that... whaambulence come from!!] so.... now they work.
The greatest boilers that I work on are cast iron sectionals; built and installed in 1967, a few gas valves, thermocouples, dirty and neglected, get about 75% efficiency, never cluttered a land fill, never got any stake holder's notice.
Which brings me back to the gravity of it all, the gravity furnace, have I ever told you the story of the gravity furnace, oh yes..
 

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So here I am,, on July 28th,,, reflecting on how a year ago at about 4pm,,, I crashed poor BlueSTar. This was my first street accident in nearly 51 years of motorcycle riding. Sure,,, as a young motocross rider,,, I likely crashed every day,,, but that was part of the off road game. As I have said before,,, I was very lucky a year ago. The right gear saved my knees. And my right shoulder has come around,, and can now also forecast the weather !! BlueSTar was lucky too. Although it took me a long time to find all the used parts needed,, and then get them here during all the covid closures, I did get it rebuilt by about April. Parts were found in Texas, Alberta, Florida and China. It was a bit of a gamble, because I had not been able to test ride her,,, to be sure she rode straight. But I was pretty sure it would be okay,,, and hooray, it was !! A real silver lining through all this was that I acquired ThunderSTruck, which is a dream machine. So now I have one set up as a Sportster St1300 (BlueSTar),, and the other as a Tourer sT1300 (ThunderSTruck). And I really enjoy riding both of them. Here are a couple of photo's. Note how BlueSTar currently sports "black ears". BlueSTar is a "Bazzaz bike", of course,,, and I have tested something new on it recently. Take a look at the photo of the airbox for now. I will do another post tomorrow regarding that modification. For today,,, I am just going to feel grateful to have all of us rolling down the road !! cheers,, CAt'
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Hey Alan... really lookin forward to hearing your thoughts on the snorkel removal. It has always been accepted that it is not a good idea, but with your ability to see fuel mapping changes with Bazzaz, it will be interesting to hear if it at least affected the fuel curve and if so, could you adjust and actually see a difference. I would suspect that if you can get an improvement, it will be well above 5000 rpm.
 
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