BlueTooth Headsets Question

dbhughes1981

Hello,
I am looking to get a bluetooth headset to put in my helmet so I can listen to music and take calls from my cell phone. Does anyone have any experience with the Cardo Scala Rider or the Camos Motorcom, or anything similar that will take voice calls from a cell phone and play stereo music from a bluetooth device?
Any input would help
Thanks
 
I am also interested in a bluetooth setup, so I do not have one yet. I have read that the Cardo Scala unit does not have sufficient volume output for higher speeds. This information is from reading someone else's evaluation only. However since most people's hearing seems to be better than mine, I have mentally eliminated the unit from consideration. I am interested in seeing other's comments with experience.
 
I was looking for something similar, but mainly I wanted to be able to listen to music. Phone calls weren't a priority at the time because I didn't have a Bluetooth enabled phone. Anyway, so I did this modification, and I like it. On a windy day, it can be tough to hear the music at highway speeds. But other than that, I'm happy with it. It was cheaper to do, and the Bluetooth intercoms weren't out yet.

Just a thought, it's a way to go. In fact, I'm doing another one similar to this one because the guy broke his headphones in the band anyway.


Since you need a login to see the post I already did, I'll just recreate it in here. (Still working on the allowing threads to be viewed by guests).



DesignFlaw06 from CBrider.com said:
Alright, so maybe this isn't a "BIG" project, but this forum was looking empty and this is the closest thing I've got.

I'm a big fan of music. Not just any music, but good music. Nothing I love more than rockin' out down the highway with the tunes blaring. Put some good 70's or 80's classic rock and I'm happy as a clam. So I had to find a way to pipe tunes into my helmet. I tried a number of different things. One was just earbuds that ran directly into an mp3 player in the inside pocket of my coat. This worked pretty well, but only for short distances as it would press against the ear lobe and eventually become unbearable. So the second option was earphones (headphones that wrap around each ear instead of around the head). This worked a little better and it was more comfortable. But the sound wasn't loud enough at the highway speeds and if I turned right, I could easily jerk the speakers out of the helmet or into an uncomfortable position. So the third option was to hide the cord inside the helmet so only the jack was sticking out. Then I bought a 6ft extension cable. The idea was that if I turned wrong, I would simply rip the extension cable off, and I would just lose the music without making the helmet more uncomfortable. But this got difficult to manage the cords and was a hassle to try and route the cables through my jacket and out of the way. Still no good.

So I got a brilliant idea. I bought these Logitech Wireless Headphones for $30, which were very uncomfortable to wear, but the sound quality was excellent and they had a range of about 30 feet. This is what I did.

Here are the headphones. You can see the buttons on the side, which have volume control, track control (for iPod, which I refuse to own), and the center button is a power button:
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Here's the helmet. HJC-SyMax:
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Once I popped off the snap on foam cover, there were 6 screws on each side.
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The battery is on one side, along with the other speaker.
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The circuit board with the switches is on the other side:
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Here's the other side of the circuit board. You can see the switches mounted to the board and the adapter for the charger on the left side. That would normally be the bottom of the headphones. So the switch to the far right is the Volume up, and the switch in the center is the power.
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So I know I needed to run a new power switch to be able to turn them on and off. One of the features of the Logitech headphones is that if it doesn't sense music being sent to them, it will turn itself off to save battery life. The other thing I needed to be able to do is charge the headphones without taking them out each time. Using a meter to check for continuity, I found out which side of the switch connected when the switch was pressed. I also had to unsolder the charging adapter so I could run that somewhere else. This picture shows the wires I tacked on to the circuit board after removing the switches. I also removed the "Volume Down" switch, so I couldn't accidentally decrease the volume. There are also the 4 wires for the charging circuit.
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Here's a picture of where the power switch wires went to. These are buttons off from the new Arctic Cat snowmobile gauge (that's one of the products and customers I work with). They have an adhesive on the back and the circuit is in the membrane.
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And this is the destination of the new charging adapter. I drilled a 1/4" hole, and cut straight back to the edge. Worked out to be a perfect fit and the charger rested in there. Later I super glued that into the plastic and made it a bit more solid.
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This is a picture of the whole system. The one thing I had to do, which was the most time consuming part was to remove the headband. That was a bit tricky because I kept trying to not cut the wires in the process. It turns out I cut them anyway, one of which was a twisted pair speaker wire. So I ran two new wires to replace them. So if you don't mind cutting the wires and replacing them, just chop off the headband and repair the wires afterwards.
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Now that I had the entire system together, I unsnapped the padding, laid the wires across, and taped them down with more electrical tape to keep them in place.
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I routed the charging adapter to the side of the helmet, which is velcroed to the side. It sticks out just enough to get the plug into it.
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With the padding back in:
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And here's one side speaker.
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And the other side.
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I stuck the buttons on the side of the helmet and wrapped the connection underneath the padding of the helmet back to the headphones.
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Finally, this is what it looks like while charging. The charge lasts for 8 hours.
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It works out pretty well. The only thing to remember is to shut off the MP3 player and the bluetooth adapter for the MP3 player. But the batteries are rechargeable anyway. The headphones are loud enough to hear at highway speeds.
That's pretty much it. Happy to entertain any questions.

Tim
 
I have the Scala Rider Teamset and it works great for making calls and talking to the wife on the back. It does not have radio though. The have a solo model that includes a radio. Believe me when I say that it's plenty loud. So loud that you will not want to be caught using it without earplugs.
 
I have the Cardo Scala two speaker headset. Volume is not a problem for me as I rarely use the highest setting as its too loud. Battery life is excellent, enough for almost two full days of riding. Be aware that the FM radio is not stereo, its two speaker monaural, nor is it hi-fidelity. It sounds like what we used to call a "transistor radio" when I was a kid. Its fine for talk radio and listenable for music as long as you are not an audiophile.

The unit itself seems to be well made and I have gotten a lot of use out of it. I can receive calls and carry on conversations at highway speeds with no problem. To initiate a call I need to slow down to about 50 mph.
 
So I got a Cardo Scala Rider FM for Christmas. I hooked it up and it made voice call just fine. My cell phone also play music so I tried to listen to the music through the headset. It did not work. I called Cardo and since the headset is not Stereo and only carries a mono signal it is unable to receive music through the bluetooth. So if you want to listen to music using this unit you have to listen to the radio, or get an FM transmitter for your MP3 player. Since it didn't do what I wanted it to do I did not test it while riding on the mototrcycle.
I am returning this unit. I have done some more research and I am going to try the IMC Motorcom Camos BHS500 or BHS600. These apparently use a newer Bluetooth technology and will receive and play stereo music. Let you know what I think when I get it.
 
I tested the Scala rider for Friction Zone magazine and thought it worked very well, even at speeds as high as 80 mph. You have to get the helmet speaker positioned precisely centered with your ear canal though. That part can be a bit fiddly. Paired with a zumo and then your phone paired with zumo as well you should be able to make and receive calls as well as listen to MP3 music. These systems are mono though, only one earphone and I don't think they can accept pairing with more than one device at a time.
 
I bought a couple of BluAnt InterPhone bluetooth headsets/mic last summer. They have worked really well:
- rider to rider (up to about 700 ft)
- rider to passenger
- cell phone to unit
- gps to unit
- rechargeable battery

There is only 1 speaker so will not be suitable for the discerning audiophile.
 
I use a Motorola S9 headphone and a mp3 player with built in blue tooth ....I use it for music only since if I want to use the phone I pull over. you can wear the S9 under your full face helmet without any mods. my player battery dies in 8 hours the headphones will go for 10.
 
I ended up returning my Scala FM for the Scala Q2. I am pleased with it. I can get my GPS to FM transmit music and the Scala will pick it up, but I pretty much just listen to the radio. Much easier. My buddy just got one too, and the bike to bike works well. The range is far enough where you can ride with about 3-4 bikes in between and still get good reception. Although obsticles in the way can make it fuzzy at times. But overall, it is hard to get this much functionality for around $200. i would recommend the Q2
 
Autocom system have a blue tooth dongle that connects blue tooth enabled phones to your system you can also add up to three devices on the Active-Duo kit which can be power from your bikes power or its own battery. I have phone, radio & MP3 no problem never miss a call and have all on auto anwser set up.

regards Tony (biking lion from ireland)
 
I tried the Scala bluetooth systems and ended up returning them due to mounting and quality issues. Also these systems are listed as water resistent which in the current UK summer is not really going to cut it. I bought the autocom system and was out in an 8 hour heavy downpour with the wife on the back and not a single problem with the system. The music quality is excellent too on the autocom.
 
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