December 7th - Pearl Harbor Day

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84 years ago - 1941 - over 2,400 brave Soldiers, Marines, Navy Men, Air Corps and civilians paid the ultimate price for their service to this great country.
Let us never forget that our freedom was paid for by the blood of the brave!
 
Amen to that. Sadly the things that people should care about in this country is being replaced by pop culture. Especially our young folks don't care to know what a big deal it was. As for me I can say yes it is very important to me. Thank you to all Veterans those that have passed and those that are still with us.
 
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Amen to that. Sadly the things that people should care about in this country is being replaced by pop culture. Especially our young folks don't care to know what a big deal it was. As for me I can say yes it is very important to me. Thank you to all Veterans those that have passed and those that are still with us.
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Maybe, maybe not. Most of news and social media is dominated by a small, very vocal minority who want nothing more than attention. I work with and have in my family many very sensible younger people, even recent high school graduates. My impression of their friends is (with some notable exceptions) the same. There are even many on social media pushing back against the people with reality allergies.
That being said, you also need to keep in mind that for twenty-year-olds, it was 60 years before they were born. And let face it, the defining feature of the very young is and always has been that they are (and we were) kind of stupid.
 
I was talking with a 'twenty something' young man the other day about my motorcycle travels.
When I mentioned 'Custer's Last Stand' as one of the places I had visited, he had no clue as to what that was.
Unfortunately many high schools only teach current events and no history.
Without the knowledge of history folks don't understand what sacrifices were made for this country to exist as it does.
 
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I was talking with a 'twenty something' young man the other day about my motorcycle travels.
When I mentioned 'Custer's Last Stand' as one of the places I had visited, he had no clue as to what that was.
Unfortunately many high schools only teach current events and no history.
Without the knowledge of history folks don't understand what sacrifices were made for this country to exist as it does.
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Similar here....Dallas/Ft Worth area. The state DoE has taken over several districts operating on the 'life's so hard, may as well just give them grades' philosophy.
 
The older generations always feel that the younger generations lacks respect for the history that they lived through. This has been so since forever. Young people need to deal with the world they grew up in and live in. The Alamo has no relevance to them (nor should it). Dec. 7, 1941 has little relevance. Sept 11, 2001 (unfortunately) will soon have little relevance.

That's not to say the younger generation shouldn't be interested in history. They absolutely should. It serves to help us avoid repeating mistakes, but it's unrealistic to expect them to have them same reverence as the people who lived through it.
 
I personally,hated history Class in School, all I learned was the dates of all the bloody wars, yeah the human race has been fighting ever since recorded history. What I learned in Six years of Air Cadets was, Never start a fight, just finish it! I do pray that some day the human race learns to get along with each other. But knowing how the world of Money works I doubt I will ever live long enough to see that happen. I personally would have liked history about our inventions and technology we have made. One thing that has bothered me for a long time is how people will hold a grudge against the people of a country, that there Egomaniac Leaders started a war. I do give thanks for the Soldier that served his country to defend freedom, which ironically is not free. G
 
and I hate to say it,wish I could put it a little more eloquently, but a lot of them burned to death soaked in gasoline so that I could be here
[edit] I have a number of cherished relatives in my family that fought for cause and when this moment comes around it makes me understand how tedius I am
 
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The older generations always feel that the younger generations lacks respect for the history that they lived through. This has been so since forever. Young people need to deal with the world they grew up in and live in. The Alamo has no relevance to them (nor should it). Dec. 7, 1941 has little relevance. Sept 11, 2001 (unfortunately) will soon have little relevance.

That's not to say the younger generation shouldn't be interested in history. They absolutely should. It serves to help us avoid repeating mistakes, but it's unrealistic to expect them to have them same reverence as the people who lived through it.
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No relevance? Relevance, maybe not, importance yes.
Understanding how the 'world you grew up in and live in' came to be has a bit to do with those who came before you and what they did.
If you do not know of the great sacrifices that were made so you can do what you do, you never appreciate what you have.
And you will tend to squander what (in your mind) cost nothing.
A thought from one of the signers of the Declaration of Independence -

Benjamin Rush, a signer of the Declaration of Independence, strongly advocated for teaching history as a core part of civic education, believing it essential for citizens to understand government, liberty, and tyranny to sustain the republic, with Thomas Jefferson and John Adams also championing broad public education for an informed citizenry.
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I would suppose that he knew a little bit about it. ;)
And of course there is always that quote by George Santayana -

"Those that fail to learn from history, are doomed to repeat it."

If you don't know it you sure can't learn from it ...
 
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I agree with you UP , problem I had with History class in School,was they never told you what the Mistakes were or the real truth, my Parents were children in world war 2 in Holland, what they went through is not in any History Class.
 
If you don't know about something, then you are not inclined to 'investigate' it and see what happened.
For instance, Custer's Last Stand has no particular 'relevance' to me.
But it was very interesting to visit the site, dig into it and learn how things get 'covered up', 'retold' and changed by people in power.
Without knowing about it, I would have never stopped and investigated the whole thing.
And if you 'open the kimono' you find Custer was not liked very much and the other two generals with him sort of said
"Hmm, Mr. Custer appears to be in trouble. We believe we'll just sit tight and defend our own position." ;)

One particular bit of 'history' perspective sticks in mind from a personal experience.
Years ago, a lady attended our church whose husband had served in WWII in the Pacific.
She was in line at a local grocery store, and the lady behind was complaining that she hadn't heard from her husband in several weeks while he was involved in Desert Storm.
The lady smiled at her and replied 'Honey, my husband fought in WWII and I didn't hear from him for several years'.

History gives us perspective of a different way of viewing things.
Those who would try to frame moral choices and actions done years and years ago in terms of current 'morality' are either ignorant or intellectually dishonest.
We cannot comprehend the mindsets of those during the Revolutionary War, Civil War, WWI, WWII or the Korean War as it was a different time and different way of viewing things.
What we can do is learn from the bad choices and the good choices and try to profit from the experience.
But if we don't know then there is no profit to be had and we are poorer because of it.
 
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