Does really Progressive suspension 465-1128 improves stability, handling... etc?

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I was just looking at Progressive suspension rear shock, and since mine is most likely original (18 years and 13K miles) I should replace it. How is progressive suspension vs. OEM standing? Is it any difference - I think it should be improved since its newer technology, but than again...
Is anyone using Progressive?

Mark
 
I'm running PS springs and shock on my 1100; BIG improvement over STock! Well worth the investment and their shock is MUCH less expensive than OEM.
 
Replaced my original shock at around 60000 miles with a PS shock. Had replaced the fork springs with Sonic springs probably a month earlier. The fork springs made a huge difference and the rear shock made it a little better still. The bike feels so much more planted and solid in turns now than it did before. Great investment. I ride 2 up a lot with my wife. I notice the improvement the rear shock made much more when she is riding with me.
 
From my 2010 post.

I'm no suspension expert but I know what I & my '91 1100 like.
Late last summer I had the good fortunate to pick up a barely used Progressive Suspension 420 series rear spring/shock, part #465-1128. Only got to ride a few miles with it before the onset of winter but what a difference. The rear planted & rose slightly under hard acceleration rather than squat. Considered a spring change up front since I was going to do a much needed fork oil change anyway. Eventually decided on just fresh oil first along with some other maintenance during the off season. Finally have been able to get a couple hundred miles of riding in & couldn't be happier with the balance, handling & ride.
Conclusion IMHO. Getting a misbehaving rear end is at least if not more important than the front end in realizing riding peace & harmony. I will also be changing front fork oil on a very frequent basis from now on.
 
I replaced the rear shock with Progressive and was fortunate to get it right at the same time Progressive ran a special on free front springs. So yes, replaced both and love it! I am sure there is a better option but at the time, it was a good fit financially.
 
How is progressive suspension vs. OEM standing? Is it any difference - I think it should be improved since its newer technology, but than again...
Can't comment on Progressive in particular as I run with Wilbers and Hyperpro, but like to add that an upgrade, especially if the OEM kit is already worn down (the rear shock is most likely done once it lasted over 80,000km/50,000miles) is a vast improvement in safety as well as as competence of the mount, especially if your a bit on the eager side with your riding.

Imagine a situation with two up and luggage aboard (I make a conservative estimate of 0,5 metric tons/1200lbs gross weight here...), your passing a car or rushing through a fast wide bend at maybe 75mph where you hit a bump in the road...
The then occurring twisting, dacing and pumping in the rear suspension transfers into the front end, causing quite some oscillation of the handlebar...
You don't know if you'd just blown a tire, you're on the verge to loose traction on a fuel spill, a wheel bearing has blown to bits, the support frame below the carrier stay/topcase just cracked apart causing the two frame backbones to twist and wrap, harsh gusty winds have hit the fairing/panniers... what is going on??


The very same situation with a properly upgraded suspension, matched to payload/gross weight and riding style/terrain:
Again a fully loaded mount, again whe lean into the fast turn with 70+ and we again hit that dent in the road... the suspension compresses swallowing it, the suspension expands again, in-out-stop, no wiggle in the handle bar, no dancing rear end, the bikes line doesn't alter a bit, steady as she goes...

Throwing the bike around in twisty terrain, that rig is like a new/different bike, steering, response, accuracy... everything is tight and right on the spot...

Applying brakes... guess we've all seen the adds how worn shocks extend the braking distance of a car... the very same applies to a motorcycle... I was amazed during safety training how the already excellent braking abbilities enhanced... it literally stopps on a dime, no hopping rear wheel...

When making the decition for an upgrade I'd advise to at least also go for matching fork spings.

And don't go too hard (like race track settings), nothing to gain if its too stiff, the wheels might bounce on uneven roads, starting to drift out while leaned, the rattling and hammering is strenuous, your wrists will get sore, etc... you gonna hate it (Wilbers had reccomended a 20W fork oil... undriveable on our frost beaten mountain roads, will knock the fillings out your teeth...)

Soft on the first bit, progressive and firm when getting under load.


The reason why I went for the (expensive) upgrade was an incident in a fast RHS turn.
Two up in full regalia we hit a dent, compressing the suspension so much that the undercarriage hit the tarmac, causing the bike to stand up, almost driving us over the solid line into the oncoming lane...
If in that very moment, an ocomming car would have came along and cut the curve there...


Officially the total max payload for the ST1100 would be like 190kg/420lbs...
Estimating that each, rider and pillion wear at least 15kg/33lbs on gear, add like 15kg/33lbs stuffed into each pannier, 8kg/17lbs for content of topcase, another 10kg/22lbs for the tank bag, etc...
 
The then occurring twisting, dacing and pumping in the rear suspension transfers into the front end, causing quite some oscillation of the handlebar...
You don't know if you'd just blown a tire, you're on the verge to loose traction on a fuel spill, a wheel bearing has blown to bits, the support frame below the carrier stay/topcase just cracked apart causing the two frame backbones to twist and wrap, harsh gusty winds have hit the fairing/panniers... what is going on??

thats exactly what I was going thru on Friday on the way to work. I stopped at the gas station to check air pressure in rear- thought that I got flat.
thanks guys for all the help, ordered PS yesterday, paid $12 bucks more than you raygks, but it's still better than way over $400 some stores are asking. Will let you know soon.

Mark
 
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I'm running PS springs and shock on my 1100; BIG improvement over STock! Well worth the investment and their shock is MUCH less expensive than OEM.

Now to the front, what PS part are front springs? I don't like stiff suspension and neither too soft. Something mid range. That whole 1.0 Kg or 0.8Kg I don't understand. I saw springs for around $70, are they sold in pairs or individually?
 
Hi Mark,
I got my PS front springs off Amazon as a return unit(hence missing PVC pipe but contains the spacer where the others mentioned the new springs should include it), model of the springs: 11-1126. It came in a pair.

http://www.amazon.com/Progressive-S...&keywords=progressive+suspension+honda+st1100

No regrets on the upgrade, it spires more confidence & handling is a whole lot better(not mushy & bouncy like it used to) :)

Ray.
 
I had a '93 11 a few years ago that I bought used with a Progressive rear shock, front springs and slightly heavier oil in the forks. All springs were correct for my weight and riding style. That bike was planted and stable without sacrificing much in the way of comfort.

Last month I bought an as new '01 11 with stock suspension and was shocked at the way it handled (or didn't) compared to the upgraded one. The first upgrade I'll be doing to the new bike will be a shock and springs. I'm considering a Penske for the ride hight adjustment feature. Also I know they work well.

Has anyone experimented with the ride hight? Seems there might be a possibility of adding some agility with a little rise in ride hight.
 
Last month I bought an as new '01 11 with stock suspension and was shocked at the way it handled (or didn't) compared to the upgraded one.
Riding my '00 with fully upgraded sus I can relate... got a used, fully OEM '94 with 190,000km/118,700 miles last year, the rear sags incredibly, eben solo with no luggage, the front is all over the place... feels like floating in a onld Citroen DS...
Of course, at that milage the ST's suspension is done, nothing lasts forever...

However, there is one thing when comapring the OEM rear shock with the aftermarket ones: the efforts for getting propper settings for varying payloads...
The OEM has this 5-notch collar for the spring preload, one screw adjuster for the shock... quite simple

Aftermaket ones mostly don't have any inidication or marks by which one could orientate himself... one might end up handling a slide gauge to determine preloads...

My Wilbers has hydraulic preload with a click mechanism in the adjuster as well as on the setting bolts for bound and rebound, makes it easier, I've written a little card with the determined sittings for solo, with passenger and no luggage, solo with luggage, etc...
 
Thanks guys. Just ordered them- thanks Ray, so now I just have to order new bushings, got seals already and get down with the swap. Can't wait to be done with it. The think is that she's stable on good pavement but on uneven is like riding on ice and that scares me.
Thanks again
Mark
 
...stable on good pavement but on uneven is like riding on ice and that scares me.
Your going to appreciate the new suspension, IMHO a real safety improvement.
You'll might need to experiment with the fork oil though; I ended up with a 7W on my Hyperpro linear progressive springs to get the proper comprimise of comfort and firmness.

I was thinking '53 Buick Roadmaster.
Not so familiar with that one ;) (only owned a Beauville 20 Sportvan, which as well pretty much steered like a trawler... rocking and rolling in the surge of road bumbs :-D)
 
Just had my first two up ride of the year today and the bike bottomed out probably 10 times on the run, it was fine last year and I have only done around 1500 miles solo since, can't think what has happened, no changes made to the rear suspension settings since last year,
I suppose I'm going to end up replacing the shock now, my ST is a red money pit me thinks.
 
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Bottoming up happened to me all the time with OEM rear shock. It was probably just too old. But it doesn't happen ever since I've replaced it with progressive suspension. Not even when I'm riding WTO work with my son who's heavier than me. They take some money out of our pockets but at least for me it's an escape from everyday stuff and gives me feeling of freedom. I love riding bikes and missed it for 20 years. Yes, if I could afford to buy a new bike I would, but it is what it is and on the other hand, fixing her is my hobby and that relaxes me. Like I said, it's an escape from rat race routine.
You'll enjoy your rides more with new shock. You'll feel the difference not only elimination of bottoming up.
Mark
 
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