Grease the driveshaft splines?

Honda superseded M60 with M77 in this application. If you don't like it you are free to choose your own lubricant.
 
jfheath said:
Do they ? If so, that solves the discussion that has been going on since Moly60 disappeared.
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Actually, it only fueled the fire. Larry Igofar had some first-hand experience with M77 not being up to the task of spline lube. I'm not sure if he personally maintained the bikes in question, and applied the M77 himself, or if he knew the owners who used it. That started a 100+ post thread on all the options available instead of M77.
 
dwalby said:
Actually, it only fueled the fire. Larry Igofar had some first-hand experience with M77 not being up to the task of spline lube. I'm not sure if he personally maintained the bikes in question, and applied the M77 himself, or if he knew the owners who used it. That started a 100+ post thread on all the options available instead of M77.
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Over the years I've kept a good supply of Moly 60 on hand and still have one tube about half gone and one tube unopened. So, I'll be a a few years until I'm looking for a replacement, but the M77 spec doesn't seem to cut it from what I've read so far.
 
I have a white tube with a bar code on the side of it, with the wording HONDA MOLY 77 GREASE.
The paperwork states: New Moly 77 Paste
The new Honda Moly 77 Assembly Paste replaces the old Moly 60 product and is packaged in a convenient squeeze tube that allows for easy application directly to the desired area, thereby reducing waste and mess. This product should be used whenever the SERVICE MANUAL recommends applying molybdenum disulfide GREASE. Available in a single 75g tube.
Moly Paste (M77) p/n 08798=9010CH.
This tube was given to me by a guy who rode down from Canada, and Honda had used it on his new 2012 ST when changing the tires....his splines were found damaged. It is unknown by me how they looked before they put the paste on. I have seen several newer ST's with damage on both the male and female parts of the splines when this NEW stuff was used.
I have also personally put it on members bikes (at their request) and checked the splines a couple months later, finding damage already begining.
I use the Locktite LB stuff myself, and Leave the Moly 77 grease for the back of brake pads on my cages.
YMMV
 
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ReSTored said:
Over the years I've kept a good supply of Moly 60 on hand and still have one tube about half gone and one tube unopened. So, I'll be a a few years until I'm looking for a replacement, but the M77 spec doesn't seem to cut it from what I've read so far.
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There may be an expiration date, or shelf life on the older stuff. I was told they have not produced it in the last 5-6 years, and a couple sites suggests it only has a shelf life of about 2 years.
I do not know if this is correct or not, simply repeating what I heard from a senior mechanic at a rather large Honda Service Dept.
 
oldjoe said:
...starting to replace brakes and rear tire, got the moly paste, but now O-rings may take too long to get here.
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Hi Joe:

The size of the O-rings is indicated in the Honda parts catalog description - if you go look at an online parts catalog (here's a direct link to the appropriate page on Partzilla), you'll see that item 23 on that page is a 61 by 2 O-ring, and item 24 is a 50.5 by 3.5.

But, having said that, I would be very cautious about substituting an identically sized "generic" O-ring. You won't know if it is made of material designed to withstand the pressure, rotational speed, and exposure to molybdenum paste in the rear wheel. If you get an identically sized O-ring that was made for a soft-serve ice cream machine :), you can be assured it will not harbour food bacteria and it will perform well at freezing temperatures... but how well it will hold up in your final drive is another question entirely.

I've ordered lots of these O-rings in the past for both my 1100 and 1300 - normally then don't take more than 1 day to arrive if they are ordered at a Honda dealer. There's not much money to be saved by online ordering due to the additional postage costs.

Michael
 
Slydynbye said:
Well you got lucky I didn't. And at 100k miles those O-rings are overdue.
Let me see if I can find the remainder of mine and you can have them.
By the way the broken Oring was a PITA to fish out of there. It wasn't obvious it was broken without exploration
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Big difference of the 1100 and 1300 setup. 1300 orings last a long time. The person I rep;lied to has a 1300.
 
Igofar said:
There may be an expiration date, or shelf life on the older stuff. I was told they have not produced it in the last 5-6 years, and a couple sites suggests it only has a shelf life of about 2 years.
I do not know if this is correct or not, simply repeating what I heard from a senior mechanic at a rather large Honda Service Dept.
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One tube I have is still in the original package and there is no expiry date on it.

I've heard of the expiry date issue before and I'm OK with it.

Put on new tires last month, new o-rings and the splines are like new.
 
CYYJ said:
Hey, don't feel bad - I'm 64, and it seems that the bike gains about 20 pounds of weight every year. I own 2 STs, a 2001 ST 1100 and 2012 ST 1300. I really like them, but the weight is starting to cause me concern during low-speed maneuvering (typically when parking it, etc.).

I now find myself looking longingly at Suzuki Burgmans... :)

Michael
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some really nice versions of the Honda NC700's out their, sorta like a mini ST,and your still on a motorcycle
 
CYYJ said:
Hi Joe:

The size of the O-rings is indicated in the Honda parts catalog description - if you go look at an online parts catalog (here's a direct link to the appropriate page on Partzilla), you'll see that item 23 on that page is a 61 by 2 O-ring, and item 24 is a 50.5 by 3.5.

But, having said that, I would be very cautious about substituting an identically sized "generic" O-ring. You won't know if it is made of material designed to withstand the pressure, rotational speed, and exposure to molybdenum paste in the rear wheel. If you get an identically sized O-ring that was made for a soft-serve ice cream machine :), you can be assured it will not harbour food bacteria and it will perform well at freezing temperatures... but how well it will hold up in your final drive is another question entirely.

I've ordered lots of these O-rings in the past for both my 1100 and 1300 - normally then don't take more than 1 day to arrive if they are ordered at a Honda dealer. There's not much money to be saved by online ordering due to the additional postage costs.

Michael
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When applying the correct moly paste, should a small amount be applied to the groove UNDER each of the o-rings?
 
Amazon sells the Honda M77 in a 2.65 oz tube for about 17 bucks!
 
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STraymond said:
When applying the correct moly paste, should a small amount be applied to the groove UNDER each of the o-rings?
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Although I don't think it is critical to do so, I usually apply a WEE bit of moly lubricant to the groove that the O-ring sits in, and to the outer surface of the O-ring, just to reduce wear on the O-ring.

Michael
 
Thanks Jim, I guess I missed that part, I thought the M77 was the replacement for the M60 paste. What is Honda recommending?
 
Igofar said:
There may be an expiration date, or shelf life on the older stuff. I was told they have not produced it in the last 5-6 years, and a couple sites suggests it only has a shelf life of about 2 years.
I do not know if this is correct or not, simply repeating what I heard from a senior mechanic at a rather large Honda Service Dept.
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Larry, what do you recommend to lube the splines with if the honda M77 is not up to the task?
Thanks!
 
I just visited an old mine in Newfoundland, where I learned Maligmalite ( ? spelling) was mined for years. When I asked what it was used for, I learned it is the ingredient in molly grease/paste. Apparently they are running out if it in another mine, so this one in the isolated community of Newfoundland may eventually reopen!
 
doing some reading it appears that Dow Corning's moly-kote M77 is " over 60% molybdenum disulfide". I would think this should be sufficient?
any thoughts?
 
To beat a dead horse a little more, Honda superseded discontinued Moly60 with M-77. It is perfectly OK to use M-77 in applications that older original service manuals specify Moly60 use.

Honda has a well earned reputation to maintain as well as to provide technical support for vehicles presumably still under warranty. If M-77 is what they choose to replace M60 with them you can be reasonably certain to is up to the job.

There are other products to choose from that presumably are also up to the task but only with M-77 are we certain to meet OEM protection and service.
 
Thanks! Sorry to rehash an old subject, I wasnt here for the first go-round!
 
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