HP to Weight Ratio and Why

Byron

Moderator
Joined
Mar 3, 2006
Messages
1,618
Location
KY
There have been may threads dealing with modifications that are meant to increase HP or lighten the ST. Most of the time it is by people who are after more get-up-and-go. Others don't seem to understand how it works or why. I decided to throw this small example together to help them understand.

HP_Weight_Ratio.JPG


The top row shows 125 HP, 700 Lbs (figuring full tank of gas), 0.179 HP per Lb of weight (HP/Weight), and a percentage difference. I simply dropped the weight in 10 Lb increments and showed what the HP to weight ratio would be and the percentage difference from the top line (base line) figures.

Once I had the percentage figures I then calculated what the corresponding HP of a 700 Lb. bike would have to be to equal that percentage change. To see this look at the bottom line. If you could drop the weight of the bike 100 Lbs you would see a 16.67% HP to weight ratio change. To see the same performance change for the same 700 Lb bike would mean you would have to produce 145.83 HP.

So when someone changes their mufflers to brand X and reduces the bikes weight by about 15 Lbs. it is equivalent to a 2%+ HP gain. This is not counting any HP change that may be a result of the change.

The inverse is also true if you add weight to the bike. The difference is seen in a lowering of the HP to weight ratio instead of an increase. This would translate into less performance.

I hope I have explained this clear enough so that you might see why some of us do what we do to our bikes.
 
Last edited:
so wadda ya sayn i godda go on a diet :mad: lol.
good work byron! i figure if i go do jinny craig i can pick up that 16.67% increase without much problem:eek::
 
There have been may threads dealing with modifications that are meant to increase HP or lighten the ST. Most of the time it is by people who are after more get-up-and-go. Others don't seem to understand how it works or why. I decided to throw this small example together to help them understand.

HP_Weight_Ratio.JPG


The top row shows 125 HP, 700 Lbs (figuring full tank of gas), 0.179 HP per Lb of weight (HP/Weight), and a percentage difference. I simply dropped the weight in 10 Lb increments and showed what the HP to weight ratio would be and the percentage difference from the top line (base line) figures.

Once I had the percentage figures I then calculated what the corresponding HP of a 700 Lb. bike would have to be to equal that percentage change. To see this look at the bottom line. If you could drop the weight of the bike 100 Lbs you would see a 16.67% HP to weight ratio change. To see the same performance change for the same 700 Lb bike would mean you would have to produce 145.83 HP.

So when someone changes their mufflers to brand X and reduces the bikes weight by about 15 Lbs. it is equivalent to a 2%+ HP gain. This is not counting any HP change that may be a result of the change.

The inverse is also true if you add weight to the bike. The difference is seen in a lowering of the HP to weight ratio instead of an increase. This would translate into less performance.

I hope I have explained this clear enough so that you might see why some of us do what we do to our bikes.
Thanks for your effort to enlighten. I thought it was done mostly to make more noise.
 
Byron
Thanks for taking the time to put this together. In the 80's I road raced an RZ350 - stripped down to 320 pounds wet and 69 rear wheel HP. Fun little ride! I am older, riding slower, but still like to shave a few pounds (off of the bike, that is). There are a lot of people that will not understand your post. I do. Old habits die hard.
 
So it appears that I am personally a performance enhancement for my ST.

Hey, Blrfl, how's that for natural rider enhancement? ;-)
 
There are handling advantages to lighter weight also to take into consideration if you like certain types of performance Especially sprung, vs. unsprung weight.

You are indeed a performance enhancement Bones, even if a sprung one. (Hey, look at that skinny feller... did you know he was kinda................. "sprung?")

Can you tell this weather is driving me batty? We'll be riding together soon enough Bones... it is coming.
 
Thanks for the info Byron!

Nice to see it codified, is a thing I have always known. Less weight is the same as adding HP. Why do you think they sell $500 aluminum alloy wheels? Saves 50# of unsprung weight, an ammount you can see on the time slips:)

Look at where 50 pounds (10 hp) takes you! Yahoo!
 
Two observations:
a. Less weight will result in faster acceleration but more horsepower equals faster acceleration AND higher top speeds.

2. Loss of weight from the rider has the same effect as loss of weight on the bike. I'm already down to 170 with 5 more lbs to go. As a percentage, that ain't much, BUT...

I'll prolly live longer, so more time to...

GO RIDE!!

;^)
 
:D Imagine what Kent Stotz feels on his 500lb Blackbird with 550 hp, nitrous, turbo, D.O.T. tire's, street legal, no wheely bar, 7.20 1/4 mile at 200 mph?....
:woo
 
Not to start an argument or derail the thread, and while I certainly appreciate the table you provided, I'm just curious--with all the power and performance the ST1300 has stock, why would anyone want more?? :confused: :)

Why not just buy a high-performance sport bike?
 
Not to start an argument or derail the thread, and while I certainly appreciate the table you provided, I'm just curious--with all the power and performance the ST1300 has stock, why would anyone want more?? :confused: :)

Why not just buy a high-performance sport bike?

Some people just can't leave anything alone. Stock is a good starting point, but, almost anything can be made better for an individual person needs/desires.
 
Quote by ParkerBill
with all the power and performance the ST1300 has stock, why would anyone want more??

Joke, right? The only substitute for horsepower is more horsepower.

I am one of those guys who has a real hard time leaving things mechanical alone...

But just as a point of interest, Honda says 'wide comfortable seat', why would anyone want to change it? Really powerful lights, why add? Why springs and shock?
 
I just wanted people driving cars and trucks through town to better hear mine at those moments when in blind spots after almost getting squashed by a truck the first day riding it on Rt.1 through Melbourne on our way to Daytona for a hotdog. Bike is plenty fast and handles great for me.
 
Back
Top Bottom