Idle speed

Using the knob will break it free from the cable, and you may loose your ability to pull it back into the locked position after your adjustment.
But don't worry about me hearing about it as I find stuff broken like that all the time :rofl1:
 
Apropos of all this discussion about adjusting (turning) the cable that sets idle speed on the ST 1300 - before I did some serious disassembly on my ST 1300 (removing the complete throttle body assembly), it was impossible for me to rotate the idle adjustment cable. I thought - incorrectly, as it turned out - that the idle speed adjustment cable was a Bowden Cable, the type of cable used on our bikes between the right handgrip (throttle) and the throttle bodies.

Once I got everything apart, I discovered that the idle speed cable is a single monolithic part - the entire thing rotates. I couldn't figure out why it was difficult to turn this cable when I had the throttle bodies off the bike and on the bench with the idle cable still attached to the throttle body frame - the cable rotated with very little friction.

But... when it came time to put everything back together, installing the heat mat, installing the throttle bodies, threading the idle speed adjustment cable underneath the left frame so the knob could fit in the little holder - that's when I discovered the cause of the "darn cable won't turn" problem: Coolant hoses, vacuum hoses, real Bowden cables from the throttle handgrip, etc. are all packed in there under the throttle body assembly so tightly that the idle cable was getting squeezed (binding) between these various parts. That's why the darn thing worked fine on the bench, but would not turn when installed on the bike.

The Honda Service Manual doesn't give super-clear directions about how to route this cable. I removed and re-installed the throttle bodies (with the idle cable attached) several times before I found a path for the idle cable that minimized (but didn't totally eliminate) friction on the cable from being up against other components. Finally, I applied a liberal coating of Dupont Krytox lubricant to the outside of the idle speed cable where it fouled on other parts, and to the other parts that it fouled on. At last, I could easily adjust the idle speed cable when everything was put back together. I recommend Krytox because it is non-toxic to all the other parts around it (it is actually a food-grade lubricant) and it is stable at high temperatures.

So, some thoughts for other owners who might encounter problems rotating the idle speed cable:

1) It ain't the cable's fault. Like I wrote above, the cable is a single monolithic part, when you rotate it (either by the screw or by the knob), the entire cable rotates.

2) Although it is possible that there could be debris in the threads at the inboard end of the cable (where it screws into the throttle body frame) preventing it from rotating easily, it is far more likely that the cable is being pinched somewhere between the knob and the throttle body frame. You don't have to take the throttle bodies off to find the problem, it is sufficient to just remove the upper and lower parts of the airbox, this will let you see the path the cable takes and identify where it is binding.

3) Whatever you do, don't unscrew the cable from the throttle body frame unless you have the entire throttle body & cable assembly out on the bench. There's a spring over the end of the cable at the throttle bodies, it will come loose and fly away, and if you are lucky enough to find it, it is pure murder to try and re-install the idle speed cable onto the throttle body while the throttle body is installed on the engine.

4) Your first troubleshooting step, if the idle speed cable does not rotate easily, should be to remove the outside (right side) end of the cable from the little U-shaped bracket that it fits into, then push the cable inwards an inch or two. That just might free it up from whatever it is binding against. Once you get your idle speed set correctly, pull the cable back out and put the knob at the end of it back into the U-shaped bracket. If it still binds when in the bracket, great, be thankful - that will prevent it from turning and keep the idle speed setting where you put it.

Michael

I had exactly the same experience with this cable. This is some valuable info, especially if you have removed your throttle bodies and are in the process of reinstalling
 
When the fairings are off, the screw and knob are easily located, but when the fairings are back on, I don't think I can reach the knob even if I wanted to. I never noticed or knew that the knob should have an in and out position, so I'll check that when the fairings are off again.
Hello Kevcules:

The photos below are poor quality, but they're all I have - I'm in Italy at the moment (riding my 1100) and the ST 1300 is back home in Toronto.

The idle speed adjuster knob doesn't have a formal 'in & out' position. As far as Honda is concerned, the knob end of the cable should be in one place only, and that is nestled into a little U-shaped hook on the right side of the bike. If it is installed there, one can reasonably easily reach the knob / screw without taking anything apart.

When I suggested in an earlier post releasing (lifting up) the knob from the U-shaped hook and pushing it slightly inwards, my rationale was that if there is tension on the idle adjustment cable that is pulling it up against some other component under the throttle body and causing the cable to bind, lifting the knob out of its retaining bracket and pushing the knob inwards an inch or two might relieve the binding and make it possible to turn the knob.

In the pictures below, the outboard end of the idle adjustment cable is NOT installed in the U-shaped holder - you can see the cable flopped just below the holder.

Michael

Idle Adjustment Cable & Holder
Idle Adjustment 1.jpg

A zoomed-in view of the above image
Idle Adjustment 2.jpg
 
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