My first real problem with my 1993 ST1100

Ring and pinion would give you plenty of warning unless you popped the clutch to do a standing burnout and snapped something . plus 1 drive splines
 
Al st1100 said:
Ring and pinion would give you plenty of warning unless you popped the clutch to do a standing burnout and snapped something . plus 1 drive splines
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he had the splines replaced, and it fixed the problem.
 
My 1100 has about 90,000km and the splines still look new. I use Honda Moly and I change the 3 O-rings every rear tire change.

In calling around when I first got the bike in 2003 none of the shops had Moly on hand (or even knew what it was) and all insisted regular grease was fine. None had or planned to order the O-rings saying this was not necessary. They all used the expression "We've never had a problem with this...."

So, I suspect that many ST owners who use shops or dealers to maintain their bikes end up with expensive rear end repairs. The reason the shop never have a problem is that bikes often get sold and by the time the part breaks there is no link between the multiple owners, the shop and poor or incomplete maintenance.

Aside from the fact I enjoy working on the bike, above is why I do all of my own maintenance.
 
ReSTored, I think you hit the nail on the head. I think I'll remove the rim for my next tire change and just bring that in. I'll still pass on changing the actual tire!
 
clotter said:
ReSTored, I think you hit the nail on the head. I think I'll remove the rim for my next tire change and just bring that in. I'll still pass on changing the actual tire!
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I've been doing this since day one. Costs me $40 at a local shop to carry in and have them do the change and dynamic balance. With the wheels off I check bearings, pull brakes pads and clean, clean up brakes pins and also pistons, lube speedo, axles and, of course, cleanup and lube the splines and change the O-rings.
 
ReSTored said:
My 1100 has about 90,000km and the splines still look new. I use Honda Moly and I change the 3 O-rings every rear tire change.

In calling around when I first got the bike in 2003 none of the shops had Moly on hand (or even knew what it was) and all insisted regular grease was fine. None had or planned to order the O-rings saying this was not necessary. They all used the expression "We've never had a problem with this...."
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I'm not questioning your practice, but I'll add a little more data to the mix.

My 1100 has 102k miles on it and I've never changed any of the O-rings. In 18 years of ownership I never bought the Honda moly paste until earlier this year. Some of the tire change places were kind enough to apply moly paste, other times I dabbed a little regular moly grease on it and slapped it back on the bike. It probably always had some moly paste on it since I would only lightly wipe it down, I never gave it a full cleaning because the grease never looked very dirty. Since I live in CA the bike rarely sees rain, so that probably helps a lot, but basically my splines look perfect in spite of my imperfect maintenance practices.

Not sure how bad you'd have to neglect it to get it to fail, but mine seems to suggest moly paste and new O-rings aren't absolutely necessary every tire change. If I lived in a wetter area I'd probably be more diligent than I am now.
 
jfheath said:
With Moly Paste, the problem is that it can't be just any Moly grease. It has to be Moly 60 paste. (or at least, the manual says Molybdenum Disulphide paste containing more than 40% Molybdenum Disulphide.

In the symbols section before chapter 1 of the Honda manual, they make a clear distinction between Moly Paste and Moly grease - the latter being quoted as having 3% molybdenum disulphide.

That's a big difference and it makes you wonder if when asking the question, the service people hear precisely what you are asking, and are not just applying moly grease and think that that is Ok.
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Honda no longer carries M60...seems the supplier had few users and dropped the high moly products. When dealer supplies are depleted, it's all gone. Honda has substituted M-77 paste. LOTS of low moly (3-4%) pastes and assembly greases on the market. I have spent some time searching the web for alternate sources for M-60 pastes and have come up...well...dry so far. Anyone find a source other than Honda?
 
The OP's splines look totally and completely ignored to me. like forever. For crying out loud ANY grease is better then no grease.
No way those splines were serviced every tire change.
And I didn't see any shiny metal or shavings which I would totally expect to see.
 
Oldbikefixr said:
Honda no longer carries M60...seems the supplier had few users and dropped the high moly products. When dealer supplies are depleted, it's all gone. Honda has substituted M-77 paste. LOTS of low moly (3-4%) pastes and assembly greases on the market. I have spent some time searching the web for alternate sources for M-60 pastes and have come up...well...dry so far. Anyone find a source other than Honda?
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There's Locktite Moly 65 and a few others.
 
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