New Roadtec 02 from Metzeler?

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I just finished a 5,300 mile trip (Interstate) with heavy side and top boxes, and the Metzeler Z8 front/rear combo (normal rear size) already had 1,500 miles+ on 'em. Total mileage is 6,800 and they've got some life left. That's not too bad, actually. They are a bit loud now. I might get another 2,000 out of them yet which would place them near the top for mileage (for me). I will not run the Z8 rear again, I had a pretty good harmonic vibration that others have noted. I am thinking about the Roadtec 01 rear and Z8 front (a combo recommended by @Catmandu2 , I think) when I see that Metzeler now has the Roadtec 02 out. Still no front that fits, but maybe that's fine. The pattern looks closer to a Z8 pattern anyway. Thoughts? What's the scoop on these Roadtec 02's?
 
I just finished a 5,300 mile trip (Interstate) with heavy side and top boxes, and the Metzeler Z8 front/rear combo (normal rear size) already had 1,500 miles+ on 'em. Total mileage is 6,800 and they've got some life left. That's not too bad, actually. They are a bit loud now. I might get another 2,000 out of them yet which would place them near the top for mileage (for me). I will not run the Z8 rear again, I had a pretty good harmonic vibration that others have noted. I am thinking about the Roadtec 01 rear and Z8 front (a combo recommended by @Catmandu2 , I think) when I see that Metzeler now has the Roadtec 02 out. Still no front that fits, but maybe that's fine. The pattern looks closer to a Z8 pattern anyway. Thoughts? What's the scoop on these Roadtec 02's?
Sorry to hear that you "got one of the bad Z8 rears". It's unfortunate that Metzler, and their distributors continue to deny the intermitant manufacturing problem, imho, that they have with this rear tire model. There have been repeated suggestions that Metz was going to end the Z8 model line,,, in favor of the Roadtec line. I am still using the Roadtec 01/z8 front hwm combo on one of my ST13's, as it works great for me. I have enough of those on the shelf to last into 2026. I was unaware of the Roadtec 02,,, but would look into it for future,, thanks for the info.

Word of caution on the Z8 rear,,, when it hits the wear bars,,, it is done. Cords will show through over night. Also,,, consider buying your tires anywhere but from Fortnine. Their poor customer support on my Z8 rear warranty claim turned me off for good. This was despite their wholesaler's recommendation that they should compensate me for the Z8's rears harmonic flaw. I continue to be a Metzler user on other models. But I am looking forward to testing the T32 gt's on my 2012, this month. cheers,,, CAt'
 
I have run the Z8 rears before, and it's not a flaw but the design of the tread pattern that causes the noise as they feather out. You won't get a warranty claim for that. I have run many different tires on various bikes, and currently running a Roadtec 02 on my CBF1000. I like this tire so far, excellent grip, but too early to tell what mileage I'll get out of it. I prefer grip over mileage in general.
Do not be afraid to mix brands.
As for the front, I ran many Z6's and the odd Z8 in combo with Pilot Road 4's, etc. and liked that combo. They have softer sides than the middle, and you'll wear those out before the middle. Other fronts to try are the Metzeler 02, Avon Spirit, Roadsmart 4. The T32 front isn't bad but you may hear a little bit of noise from it, certainly a good useable tire. The T32's are very stiff sidewalls, so may be suited to heavier bikes.

As usual, these are all opinions, and your experience may vary since we all have different riding styles. Don't be afraid to try a new tire.
 
I just finished a 5,300 mile trip (Interstate) with heavy side and top boxes, and the Metzeler Z8 front/rear combo (normal rear size) already had 1,500 miles+ on 'em. Total mileage is 6,800 and they've got some life left. That's not too bad, actually. They are a bit loud now. I might get another 2,000 out of them yet which would place them near the top for mileage (for me). I will not run the Z8 rear again, I had a pretty good harmonic vibration that others have noted. I am thinking about the Roadtec 01 rear and Z8 front (a combo recommended by @Catmandu2 , I think) when I see that Metzeler now has the Roadtec 02 out. Still no front that fits, but maybe that's fine. The pattern looks closer to a Z8 pattern anyway. Thoughts? What's the scoop on these Roadtec 02's?
How many miles did you put on before you noticed the harmonic vibration, or did it start right away?
 
Metzler Roadtec 01SE. from the site
  • Increased grip on wet roads, with a focus on low friction surfaces (such as city streets and worn tarmac, low temperature), thanks to radial position of grooves
  • Rebalanced tire stiffness to allow a better adherence of the rubber with the tarmac micro-asperities, increasing mechanical grip even on lower friction surfaces
  • Belt and carcass tension parameters upgraded to increase stability on rear tires during strong braking
  • Increased mileage vs. Roadtec Z8 Interact (up to 10%), thanks to a different footprint shape (larger and shorter) which also enhances motorcycle handling
  • Higher wear resistance, obtained through a revised land/sea ration on the rear tire in conjunction with the new tread design, ensures product performance consistency allowing users to enjoy the tire for its entire service life
 
How many miles did you put on before you noticed the harmonic vibration, or did it start right away?

Immediately after mounting. The symptoms match those of others - some speed/engine RPM combos, but not others. Same speed but different RPM -=> no problem. That (to me) is a clear indicator of a harmonic vibration vs. a balance issue. I mounted and balanced the tires myself, and I'm rather picky about balance.
 
For what it's worth, this is what I've run in the past:

40,500 - Pirelli Angel GT (180/55 rear). This is what was on the bike at purchase time.
42,500 (+2,000 miles) - Shinko Verge 011. Terrible. One tire was out of round, causing significant handlebar wobble. Replaced with new Pirelli Angel GTs. Used for a long Road Trip.
50,175 (+7,675 miles) - Continental RoadAttack 3
55,500 (+4,825 miles) - Dunlop RoadSmart III. Installing these was OK.
60,150 (+4,650 miles) - Bridgestone T32 GT. Installing these tires was painful.
64,900 (+4,750 miles) - Dunlop RoadSmart IV. Installing these was easy.
~72K (+7,100 miles) - Metzeler MEZ8. I don't remember what these were like to install.

As you can see, the average mileage I got out of these tires has been variable. Sometimes I do change them out a bit early, but not that early.

Impressions: The only one I wouldn't run again is the Continental. The Continentals started to seemingly disintegrate near the end of their life, and the Angel GTs cupped really badly. In all fairness to the Angel GT's, I have subsequently replaced the suspension (at ~60K) with Race Tech bits (front and rear) and the suspension performance is beyond expectations.
Most of my riding is a mixture of around here in Southern Wisconsin and (typically) one road trip of 1,500 - 2,000 miles. Sometimes more. The Metzelers had ~1,500 on them when I took a 5,300+ mile road trip of mostly interstate, but I did hit some backroads.

I haven't worn out the Metzelers yet, but I wouldn't go with the Z8 rear again because of the harmonic vibration, but performance-wise I was quite happy. They felt a bit "sticky" or even low pressure when brand new, but a few hundred miles they wore in and felt great.

I think the Dunlops have better road feel than the Bridgestones. I really liked how the Dunlops felt.
I think the Metzeler Z8's edge out the Pirelli Angel GT's in terms of mileage. In terms of feel, I'm not sure I can tell the difference.
I am not sure, but the Metzelers may have better grip and mileage than the Dunlop RS3's (but not the RS4's).

I am very seriously thinking about going Double Darkside when these Metzelers are done. Current mileage on them is roughly 6,800 miles and the rear is squared off a bit (but not nearly as bad as the Angel GT's were when I took a similar ride 5 years ago).

Pricing is a conern as well: Given the price difference between the Dunlop RoadSmart IV's (probably the "nicest" tire, but $485 right now) and the Metzeler Z8's ($365), well, oof da.
Z8 front $150 + Roadtec 01 rear (180/55) $243 = $393
Z8 front $150 + Roadtec 01 SE rear $232 = $382
Dunlop RS3 combo = $382

My preferred retailer doesn't have the 02 Roadtecs yet. Given all of this, if I did things today I'd probably consider the following:

1. Z8 front, Roadtec 01 SE rear
2. Double Darkside (probably the Vredestein Hypertrac ; https://www.st-owners.com/forums/threads/vredestein-hypertrac-all-season-tire.184458/) + BT46 Rear-on-the-front combo
3. Maybe Dunlop RS3 or RS4.


But ya never know. Tomorrow I might feel different.
 
I have run the Z8 rears before, and it's not a flaw but the design of the tread pattern that causes the noise as they feather out. You won't get a warranty claim for that. I have run many different tires on various bikes, and currently running a Roadtec 02 on my CBF1000. I like this tire so far, excellent grip, but too early to tell what mileage I'll get out of it. I prefer grip over mileage in general.
I didn't experience any noise, Ray. Just a harmonic vibration, in 4th gear only,, at a specific speed. Only time I have ever had that. It is an intermittent manufacturing problem with the Z8 rear, that is documented across a number of sport touring models. It cleared up, for me, after about 4000km's,, and the tire performed well otherwise, to the end of it's typically average tire life. It would have been a good buy, had it not been for the un-curable vibration. Some owners got support from their dealers, and received replacements. Metzler knows about it,,, but does not want to do anything,,, since they were planning to end the model anyway.

The Roadtec 02 looks interesting,,, but I haven't seen any pricing yet. I am unlikely to switch from the Roadtec 01 though,,, as I am very happy with that tires performance and price to date. CAt'

 
Also,,, consider buying your tires anywhere but from Fortnine. Their poor customer support on my Z8 rear warranty claim turned me off for good. This was despite their wholesaler's recommendation that they should compensate me for the Z8's rears harmonic flaw.
FWIW, I had an excellent experience buying tires from Pete's Superbike out of Montreal
 
I also had the harmonics on my Z6s, stopped after about 4000 miles, right before the cord showed. Kind of expected better mileage, should have changed them before cord showed. Oh poop moment.
Too heavy a bike on wrong tire, I did not have the confidence on them....ever. Back to Michelins
 
How many miles did you put on before you noticed the harmonic vibration, or did it start right away?
Started right away. Multiple attempts at rebalance have no effect. A harmonic only vibrates in a specific narrow speed range, and, in a specific gear. The vibe cleared up over the next 4000 or so km's,, gradually reducing until it was tolerable. Till then,,, the only way of managing it was to not spend any time in the vibe-zone. Metz describes that their Z8 rear design involves variable precise tensioning of the strands. IMHO, some manufacturing variation made the occasional tire susceptible. Other than that, this lower price point tire model performed acceptably for me, given the lower cost. Would I buy another one,,, no way,,, the potential vibe is a deal breaker. cheers,,, CAt'
 
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All tires have a tendency to howl and vibrate. If you go out and inspect the cleat and grooves in your tire the distance and size varies from section to section. This done to break up any howl and harmonics when the tire is rolling.
I knew this from automotive, motorcycle tires have this too. I wonder if the less expensive tires have a lower frequency range. They did in the car tires.
 
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The Roadtec 02 looks interesting,,, but I haven't seen any pricing yet. I am unlikely to switch from the Roadtec 01 though,,, as I am very happy with that tires performance and price to date. CAt'

If I recall correctly, you run the Z8 front and the Roadtec 01 rear (HWM), right?
 
If I recall correctly, you run the Z8 front and the Roadtec 01 rear (HWM), right?
yes,,, I am very happy with that combo, and have a new set in the basement ready for my '04 in the fall. I stocked up on the z8 (m-type) fronts, when I heard that Metz might be ending that model. But they keep restocking it,,, maybe because of us 18" users ?? I kind of consider that combo to be in the premium category. So I feel that high performance in every way should be a given.

My upcoming experiment with the t32's, on my 2012 is another attempt to find an alternative, at a medium price. But I also note that the prices have been climbing. Okay,,, lets see if the performance matches the pricing. But that won't be fully evident till 2025, for me. Cheers,, CAt'
 
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