I got a question thats oil filter related. how long do you let a filter set around? I have a filter that is a year old that I was going to use tomorrow on the ST. always kept in the box, in a cabinet out in the garage. its a Fram PH6017A not sealed (shrink wrapped). after reading the posts here I'm leaning towards a Honda filter.
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Depends on the internal components, like what the filter material is made from. But overall, there's no real short term expiration for a quality filter.
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rwthomas1
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Numerous sources online show $7-9 per filter for a B1402? Granted when I buy filters I buy 3 or 4 filters for several machines at once. Splits the shipping over many units, and I hate not having the filter I need on the shelf when I need it. Then again I also have cases of oil, etc. I wasn't even a Boy Scout....
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Just checked out the Baldwin site, very well done, lots of information, and cross reference info, as well as specs.
I just don't think I would use a RED filter on my bike
Two words: Rattle can!
Send an oil sample of the used oil to Blackstone oil labs. Or if you have a Caterpillar tractor dealer close by will work too. Then measure the results with your maintenance program. In my many years of fleet maintenance. There are 4 key issues that you can not cut corners on. Lubricants. Lubricant filtration. Brake and wheel end components. Chassis and suspension parts.
heh, heh..... I remember those drop in filters and many DID use TP in the 60's......
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Correctly designed, the TP filters work just fine. Commercially available bypass filters simply use a "manufactured" version of a roll of TP. Its just a cellulose depth filter, running at zero pressure. Tons of info on bypass filtration online.
Baldwin has always been an awesome filter. Years ago, as in the early 80s fleetguard was a horrid filter, but even then they were addressing that issue, I am sure that was fixed. As for them not covering warranty they have to prove that filter failure was the cause. although the first thing out of their mouth is no. Just like the other guys insurance company. Sometimes it takes a lot for them to change their mind which leads to class action law suits.
Remember- Brakes and steering-everything else is a option.
Have not seen a toilet paper filter correctly designed, isn't toilet paper supposed to break down quickly after use. Have seen engines fail from them though. And no the manufactured filters are nothing like toilet paper.
Remember- Brakes and steering-everything else is a option.
Have not seen a toilet paper filter correctly designed, isn't toilet paper supposed to break down quickly after use. Have seen engines fail from them though. And no the manufactured filters are nothing like toilet paper.
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Cellulose does not break down when exposed to oil. That's why cellulose is a common oil filtration media. I a friend with a tow business that ran Gulf Coast filters (the old ones used TP) for years, never a problem, but you have to have a brain and pay attention to filter element installation.
That is why you get what is called a "oil filter" Although every one is entitled to use what they want. Toilet paper is not the correct filter media, Chances are his filter went into bypass mode and supplied oil to the engine anyway. As the filter media becomes saturated toilet paper beaks down. This is when the "old" filters failed and plugged oil passages. The "cellulose" in oil filters is coated to not breakdown in oil.
Generally the filters work with micron rating and store contaminants by directional changes which cause the stuff to drop out.
Generally the filters work with micron rating and store contaminants by directional changes which cause the stuff to drop out.
That is why you get what is called a "oil filter" Although every one is entitled to use what they want.
The cellulose in oil filters is treated to not breakdown in oil flow which keeps the filtering consistent without entering bypass, can almost bet that tp went into bypass mode quickly and kept oil in system anyway. Knew people that swore by putting magnets on the fuel line and even saw about a dozen clothes line clips on one. Goes along with driving while your tailgate is down to increase gas mileage.
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I'm quite aware that bypass filters have moved away from rolled filter media, that looks like TP. The old Amsoil bypass filters looked exactly like rolled TP on the inside, and they were in fact cellulose. The problem with that wasn't the cellulose, it was that the filters had a habit of "channeling" and reducing effectiveness. The bypass filter designs all now appear to use the wound style of depth filter. I'm quite sure this works better, and the added benefit is that they can sell you a new filter element.
From your posts I'm not sure you even understand how a bypass filter works....
You can test the "breaking down" in oil theory yourself. Take a piece of cardboard, copy paper, newsprint, and TP and saturated them all with oil. You will find out they don't break down, no coating required.
Well, were gonna have a difference of opinion here, so lets leave it at that.
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Yup! My old 54 Chebby 2door model 210 post with a 216 inline 6 babbitt beater. Meaning babbitt connecting rods versus insert bearings. Had the old red A.C. Delco add on oil filter pot hanging on the intake manifold! Nasty, nasty job changing the oil and cleaning out that filter pot. Pretty high tech. at the time.
Ok, fine use what you want. I do know what a bypass filter is. Not sure how you define cellulose though.
I hesitate to ask this of the group for fear of being ostrich-sized:
is there any benefit (or harm) in using the Lucas Oil stabilizer (syn or dino)???
Rob
is there any benefit (or harm) in using the Lucas Oil stabilizer (syn or dino)???
Rob
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Quality modern oils are highly refined and heavily engineered. There are lubrication engineers (I forget what they are called) who do nothing but research the chemistry needed to make the oils and their additives best suit the environment that they are intended to be used in. Adding additional chemicals that were not researched as part of the original formula may cause no harm, but they may also reduce the effectiveness of the additives that are already in the oil. Not all chemicals play well together, despite what the marketing claims may state.
There are circumstances where a specific additive is recommended and beneficial to deal with a particular problem. In general however, if you are using a quality oil of the correct service rating and viscosity for your application, and changing it and the filter (if applicable) at the intervals recommended, these additives add no value in my opinion. The additive is simply adding cost with little to no benefit, and maybe degrading what's there in some circumstances.
They are like most vitamin supplements- they do nothing other than create expensive urine. The difference is that in some circumstances the additive may actually diminish the effectiveness of the oil.
got it. thanks!
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The short answer is... I would not advise using it in your ST. Reason is, it's a pretty thick viscosity product. I'm thinking too thick for the bikes requirements. The long answer is it is an excellent product. And there are places for the use of the peoduct. I use the synthetic version in my 26 year old F-150 V/8 5.4 2valve daily driver. TBut, I also use a top shelf synthetic oil and synthetic media oil filter. The truck started the dreaded timing chain slap/clicking at cold start. Problem went away with the oil stabilizer . But, I live in Phoenix with brutal temps.
There's lots of addativies out there. Most are mouse milk and snake oil. Lucas makes some very good products that work as adverrised. Then there are other products that work as advertised. Sea Foam being one.
Disclaimer. I have no affiliation with Lucas products.