On Buying a New, 18 year old ST1300

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John Heath
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Last year, I parted with my beloved ST1300A9. 75,000 miles on the clock, well maintained. I bought a Spyder RTL - a trike, and gave my ST1300 to my brother. The reason for this drastic course of action was because it bit me. Putting it up on its centre stand at the end of an excellent day of riding, it gave two loud cracks and a shudder. I thought that the centre stand bracket casting had snapped. Until I got the jolt of pain. My calf muscle had snapped. That was 15 months ago.

6 months later, it was MOT time. The first ride since that incident. It was OK - until I came to lift my foot off the pegs when I came to a stop. I couldn't do it - not easily anyway. The problem was that my other muscles had not had a great deal to do and had lost all of their strength. It passed the MOT, and rode it back - but this time before needing to stop, I had my foot on the very edge of the footrest. Supporting the bike was not a problem. Lifting my leg off the pegs was.

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The trike was an experiment. I got to learn how to ride it - thought it would be easy having ridden sidecar combinations for the first 6 years of my motorcyling life. Not so. It tilts right and left at every slight change in camber. It feels as though it is about to tip over, and the natural countersteer reaction kicks and that is exactly the wrong thing to do. So it is a learning process. It took me 800 miles to get to terms with it. We took it on tour for 7 days around the north of England and Scottish Borders. That was good. It rained, but the weather protection is superb - much better than the Pan (Pan Europen = ST1300). But I was on motorways at 70mph, overtaking large truck and braving the bow wave blowing off the front of the cab, overtaking on the other side of the road where the road camber tilts you to the right rath than the left. I was no lnger a complete novice. It was fun.

But the sensation from the back was not so good. When going round bends, there is a bit of leeway - like sailing a yacht - the rudder, relies on the centre board, but there is still a fair amount of sideways drift. The Spyder relies on the rear tyre to make the bike turn, and the rear tyre isn't a fixed point - so each turn has a kind of weird drift to it which makes the bike skew slightly. I could feel it and got used to it. My pillion could feel it and was getting sea sick, having to hold on to the grab rails and being thrown left and right as I took each bend. This isn't manic bravado on my part. I was taking corners much slower than I would in a car. She was missing the leaning around bends and the ability to gain extra view by riding the outside of the bends. So did we want to keep it for more such holidays ? No we were not keen. So we sold it, and decided to find a low mileage ST1300 - A8, A9 or AE - I didn't mind (those are the only three models released after the A6 in the UK - the ones with the modified front brakes and different ECU). The AE's are like hens teeth.

You can see that old story here.

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ST1300A8 20pc.jpgThis is a first for me. A second Hand ST1300. My first two ST1100s were 2nd hand, but my two ST1300s - an A6 (2007) and an A9 (2013) were both brand new and I put over 70,000 miles on each. But - my rule of thumb was to buy 2nd hand model - clean, low mileage - from a show room.
What could possibly go wrong?

Well - I know what I am getting into. I know that there are going to be issues with a low mileage ST1300. At the very least, it is going to be 12 years old, and I factored in such things as brake components, forks, tyres, corrosion etc.

But this looked pristine. Here it is in the showroom.
6,400 miles on the clock.
ST1300 A8.
I could have bought three of these for what I got for the Spyder.

I checked the obvious - they would fit a new rear tyre. I wanted two T33s - I'd pay for the front, if they would do the rear. Ok.
I checked the forks - the exposed shiny part of the stanchion for oil and pock marks. It was clear. Tyres were a bit worn, rear in particular.
Everything else looked and felt Ok. HISS worked, FI light went out. I checked the light after holding it at 4,000 for 12 secs. I did the SMC check.


I couldn't check that the ABS light went out after it had started moving. But I bought it anyway. The trike was collected last week. The ST1300 was delivered the following day.

--- And now the fun begins, and I'll relay each part of the progress as it happens (or shortly after).
 
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congrats on finding one with such low mileage you can hardly call it second hand
but I guess it's where it might been stored and to what extent any road salts and such might have gotten left on it but it looks new around the pipes and everywhere
It's a good thing finding an old new bike
you know as your walking up to it you're buying it because no matter what you don't see it's the best one you'll find
 
I'm glad your leg healed but surprised you didn't go for something lower and/or lighter to continue your riding story.
Maybe this is a strong case for "go with what ya know", and legs can be made stronger.
(To a point, and for a while anyway.)
Meanwhile, John seems to have found a sweet deal on a sweet bike... and who among us wouldn't like THAT? 😄
 
Well done for getting back into Pan world. I had two 1300s, a 2002 model bought used with 40k on the clock which did me well for 4 years and I then sold it and bought a new A9 in 2009 which did me for 8 years and 165k miles. I then went through a phase of wanting something different and had 4 years with a Suzuki Burgman 650 - great bike but questionable reliability - followed by a Triumph Explorer XRt 1200 for 3 years - the least said about that the better.
In 2024 I decided to look for a used Pan and found one online at a dealer some way from me. I took a punt and bought it just on the strength of photos and the dealer's comments. I bought it with 20k miles on it and the poor thing had gone through an exciting time with 5 previous owners. The paper records were a bit mixed but it appeared to have covered the impressive amount of 80 miles between 2016 and 2024!! I reckon that was someone wheeling it in and out of their garage! Anyway, it has now covered an additional 40k miles since then and I love it. Best of luck with your new purchase, knowing how you look after your bikes I'm sure it will be much better fettled than mine but, compared to anything else around, one can't help asking - why the heck did Honda decide to stop production!!??
 
History is most odd. Vehicle Reg Doc indicates 6 owners, but I am guessing that some of these were dealers between 'real' owners. I will be the 6th. Perhaps 3 previous owners with 2 dealers in between ? Or does SORN count as a non-owner ?

In its early days since first reg in 2009 it had covered just over 1000 miles in the first 3 years.
It then had a burst of 2000, 1000, 700, 500, 400, 300, 300, 300 miles in each of the years to 2019.
2018 MOT reports misting on both fork legs. Seals were replaced shortly after.
No MOT in 2021, with only 90 miles covered between Nov 2020 and July 2022.
No MOTs between 2022 and 2026 - having covered 14 miles in that time - presumably for its MOT in 2026 after 4 years sitting doing nothing.

It had 6,241 miles on the clock in Nov 2022, having been ridden for between 200 and 500 miles per year since 2016.

Issues - EBC pads fitted to front brakes.
Recall for A8 - rear brake hose risk of being pinched when suspension hit bottom - carried out Aug 2011 - according to documentation.
Left fork seal had blown. No surprise there - mine blew when it was on its side stand for 6 months after I tore my calf muscle. This has been sitting going nowhere for 4 years.
17 clicks on rear suspension before any resistance is obtained.
No surprise there either - my brand new replacement rear suspenison had that when I bought it.

Lots of bolts on the front mudguard were incorrect or missing.
Amateur-ish wiring added at batttery with lose cables flapping around over the top of the battery.
Battery had been replaced with a cheap Chinese version.
Front tyre was 18 years old. Rear had been replaced with a Dunlop Road smart IV. Not what I had asked for.
Currently wheels are off having just had new T33s fitted. Anyone want to buy the Dunlop Rear ? Front left fork leg is off and dismantled. Still waiting for me to send the order off. Not in a rush - turns out certain leg muscles are not yet up to par - I can hardly hold the bars and lift my leg onto the footpeg !!

SMC seems to be working OK, but a casual check after the 4 years without riding indicated that the brake was not releasing (dealer report obtained by previous owner). Mine would always scrape when reversed out of the garage after sitting for a day or two. They were always fine when I put the bike away. I'll do another test with this. I'm not worried about this, although ....

...pushing in the outer pistons always meets with a lot of resistance - its a long way to push fluid to the rear master cylinder and through 3 compensation ports. I'll see if I put a tube on the front centre bleed valve, if the outer pistons can be pushed in easily. That only has to push through the SMC. If it is still niggling me, I'll order a new SMC. 18 years is a long time. It has had fluid changes in that time though.
 
Progress is slow. Mum died a couple of weeks ago, bless her. It was time, she was 96 and she’d had enough. It was a relief that it didn’t drag on for any longer. But then comes the solicitors, the house to clear, the re-discovered memories stowed away in boxes for the last 90 years, you will get the idea. The house is 2 hours away. The ST1300 was too good to miss, but I’d be a fool not to expect something drastic. Why would it have had 6 owners in 6,000 miles. For some owners there is only the digit 6 on the ‘log book’ and the change of address for the annual MOT as evidence that it must have changed hands. By the time I get it fully checked and forks fixed it’ll be winter. By the time my legs are back up to strength, it will be Spring. Hmm. I’m beginning to see a pattern. Why would anyone (me) buy a pristine ST1300 with only 6,000 miles on the clock, not ride it until Spring? Whatever - this will all be preparation for a long tour that has been on hold for a few years now.

Anyone on here in the UK know anything about the history of this bike. See photo. You will have owned it with less than 6,400 on the clock and sold it having added very little mileage.
 
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Sorry for your loss of your Mum - I lost mine several years ago and it was a lot to 'process' through.
Not to mention dealing with what remains behind.
I have no doubt you will get this ST1300 up and running as well as any that are still around.
 
John, while it is truly sad when our parents / other loved ones pass (that means YOU are getting older, as well), there is, as you observed, a "time" that is right.
The lingering especially if in pain, or the debilitation, or the loss of some mental function, take their toll on everyone around.

Why would anyone (me) buy a pristine ST1300 with only 6,000 miles on the clock, not ride it until Spring?
Because there is likely someone (or several) who are nearly as smart as you (not AS smart, but just nearly)... and they know a good find when they see one.
Chances are, when you are ready in the spring, you would have to find another, but it likely wouldn't be as "young" or as low mileage.
 
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