Question about buying/selling a high mile ST

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I'm looking at an '03 with 114K. Loaded and appears to be taken care of. Needs nothing for $2600

My plan is to ride it until this COVID pricing calms down and hopefully sell if for $1900 after I put another 10K on it. Might I expect problems with 114K and will it be difficult to sell at that price with 125K on it?
 
I'll take a stab at this one....
The wording, Needs nothing, probably means......
99% sure you'll need a new clutch slave cylinder, secondary master cylinder, complete brake flush and caliper rebuild, maybe a rear brake caliper bracket, a fuel pump & filter, flange bearings, ground wire issues, a sub harness near the injectors due to heat, new vacuum hoses & 5 way tee, possibly wheel bearings, and repairing all the added on stuff that the prior owner "loaded" it up with.
Which means you'll probably have to throw twice the asking price into repairs to make it road worthy, then it may be worth $1500 to $1900 if your lucky.
If your having a shop do the work......the clutch slave cylinder alone can cost over $2200 dollars for just labor.
I'd suggest finding a low mileage (30,000-50,000) 06-07 for about $3500. they are out there.
 
What Igofar is suggesting will make the bike road worthy for much more than the 10k miles you expect to put on it.
With that in mind, you could keep it and enjoy a great ride and not care what you get for it some day down the road.
Who knows, but do ask a lot of questions, ask for any paperwork. Keep us posted on what you decide.

T
 
Who knows? At 114,000 miles my '05 needed none of the stuff mentioned earlier and was good for another 95,000 before it needed anything other than regular maintenance which got done on the way to 114,000. It all depends on if the owner(s) kept up with maintenance and replacement of wear items to date.

A more relevant question might be can you risk $2600 or portion thereof and are you handy enough to take care of the things that might need tending to? I don't think the price is out of line now or the future price and the bike is a safe bet "if it needs nothing."
 
I wholly embrace the fact that every car and motorcycle purchase is a losing investment, if I ever found a deal that was too good to be true I'd buy the one beside it because I liked the color.

I can't buy anything unless I'm in love with it, and then I like to imagine that I'm making a sound objective decision, especially if it looks really cool.

You can get lucky, but Larry reminds me on this site [and I like to forget] that all of these things are "ands" not "ors"; links in a chain that your enjoyment may hinge on or more probably your life or your passenger's life might depend, once I look after my own I'll go back to imagining everything's wonderful.
 
After reading the handful of guesses, hypotheses, quibbling, questioning, what-if and maybe's, I have the ultimate and definitive answer for you, @Auron .
Ready?
Here it is:
It all depends.
Without actual service records and maintenance intervals, ownership history and additional information, it's a crapshoot. A roll of the proverbial dice, if you will.
That said, @Igofar is the resident go-to (despite his OCD, or perhaps because of it) in terms of regularly working on these bikes, having arguably seen and serviced more of them over the years than MOST Honda shop technicians, and in every imaginable condition of disrepair and neglect, so his sage advice and opinion is not to be taken lightly. If anyone has a clue or insight, he will.
You may actually have found one that has been taken care of, with all due service intervals attended to, and regularly maintained, but how will you know?
With unconfirmed history (documentation), at the very least you're in for changing all fluids, perhaps inspecting 5-way tees, radiator hoses and paint chips in the thermostat, and all kinds of things, in order to give this bike a decent chance of fulfilling your expectations.
It is of course your decision with your money, but you will find strong agreement here that a properly serviced ST1300 will easily do a third of a million miles, and there are a few known to have exceeded that.
It would be wise to consider how much work you are willing to do yourself, as bike shops will typically be unfamiliar with the ST, and with assistance from many here can be better and more dependably done by you.
Best of luck!
 
Here is a short list of things that you should consider before buying that bike. Of course, with a few exceptions, guys do ride 'rat bikes'. I have a friend who regularly rides his old Guzzi (Ambassador(?)) and takes pride that it is held together with the city equivalent of baling wire and has never seen soap. He repairs it in parking lots when necessary, and rides like a little old lady (not one from Pasadena). I suspect, however, that an ST will not like his kind of care.
 
If it were me ... I'd buy it knowing I'm in for a project. But, I'd be buying it planning on keeping it a long time. In that case I'd ride it until the snow sticks and then go to town building the bike I wouldn't be able to buy off the rack. I'd improve everything along the way and I'd gladly watch the odometer roll over the 225,000 number somewhere between here and Ensenada.

Don't buy the thing in front of you when your eyes are looking elsewhere. You're just cheating yourself.
 
The last thing I’m looking for is to put more money into it. I’m also looking for some care free miles.

I would have hoped with 114k a lot of the stuff lgofar mentioned would have been done by now but if not then forget it.

Im just amazed and disgusted by what I have to pay right now to get a good bike. Local dealer want 9200 for a ‘10 with 18k and looks like it has more like 50k
 
Im just amazed and disgusted by what I have to pay right now to get a good bike. Local dealer want 9200 for a ‘10 with 18k and looks like it has more like 50k
As much as I love my ST, I would not consider anything near that price for this bike.
Bought my bone-stock 08 two years ago, 6300 original miles for 4 grand. Replaced the SMC with Larry's invaluable phone coaching, and good to go.
9K puts you well into the territory of a good bike that is actually still in production.
 
Guess I'll put my if I were you Id..... First off all a disclaimer I only buy new motorcycles. Now that that's out of the way I can tell you of my experience of buying used cars and of friends buying used motorcycles. First off when the seller tells you it needs nothing ask yourself how does he know? That motorcycle could come down with a serious problem after a week of your purchase with those many miles. Have friends that have been lucky and some not so lucky but it's like a lottery sometimes you win sometimes you don't. A new bike purchase comes with a warrantee so piece of mind there but you pay a kings ransom for that piece of mind. Used bikes are always a better choice financially but piece of mind well if you get lucky you hit the jackpot if not you are out of some money. Choose wisely.
 
Let me explain a couple things about my comment.
While I've worked on too many of these bikes to even recall, I think I can safely say (like the farmers insurance commercial) I know a few things, cause I've seen a few things etc.
These bikes, when serviced correctly, and maintained correctly, will often run past 300,000 miles IF they have been serviced and maintained correctly.
The problem with these bikes, is that they are so reliable that folks tend to treat them like a VW Micro Bus, and just run them into the ground, or they sit in garages, by the snow birds who own them for years at a time, and die a slow and painful death.
These bikes are pretty easy to maintain if folks are handy with some basic tools and knowledge, however, where I see a lot of damage done, is when folks start thinking themselves as CERTIFIED YOUTUBE MECHANICS, and are blindly following videos of what others have done etc.
There are a lot of videos out there, and to be honest, I've not seen one that shows the correct, or complete procedure for flushing/bleed either the brake or clutch systems correctly.
Just because someone takes their phone and makes of video of what "they" are doing at the moment, does not make it correct.
Another problem is folks interpret the service manual to suit their needs etc. "it says I only need to flush the fluid every 2 years or XX amount of mileage"," I only ride it 800 miles a years, so I don't have to do anything several years :mad:
Most of the damage found on these bikes were owner induced, meaning vampire clips in the wire harness, ghetto wiring jobs, using pliers instead of wrenches, using grease on the splines instead of paste, using energy conserving automobile oil, then wondering why the clutch slips etc.
Or my favorite "The brake and clutch system has never been open or bled, so there can't be air in it" :doh1:
My current 07 has 100,000 miles on it, and I would ride it to Maine tomorrow with even giving it a thought. However, I would not trust one of the NEW in crate 2016 police bikes being sold right now for $9,999 dollars out the door, without completely going through it and probably having to replace both the SMC and the CSC due to damage from sitting in their crates 5 years in some hot, and humid warehouse somewhere. (and yes, I have had to replace a few of these units on these new bikes just purchased already).
Some of the stuff is easy to keep working, oil changes, coolant flushes, brake and clutch flushing, however folks tend not to do it, now what was just a leaking hose clamp on the T-stat housing, just turned into a $100 dollar T-stat housing, because ignoring it for so long caused pitting and damage.
Not flushing the brake fluid yearly (even though the service manual says every two years) will corrode the SMC and quickly start damaging pads and calipers, at the very least, and risk tossing the rider off the bike when the brakes lock up without warning.
Bikes that sit for even a year in the garage, are often found with NO clutch pressure at all at the beginning of the riding season, and must be flushed/bled to get the lever back again.
And this is a huge FLAG that even though new fluid got the lever working again, you must think about what the Clutch slave cylinder must look like ;)
If the owner used the wrong brake pads, or installed them wrong, or didn't maintain the system, pads can vanish in just a few hundred miles, damaging rotors/calipers etc.
A person can't count on dealerships to work on a bike of that vintage, as they are normally told, "its too old, we refuse to work on them" etc.
So like another member pointed out, IF you like working on bikes, take pride in your service, and repair this used bike your looking at, it could/may last you 200,000 miles.
If your hoping to just USE the bike and get some enjoyment out of it before purchasing a BETTER one, you could be diving into a huge money pit and a lot of frustration and regret.
Money would be better spent on a newer model 07 and up for just a little more money. Then you wouldn't find out the hard way, that all the accessories and statements such as IT NEEDS NOTHING, were leading you down the wrong road.
Of course, I've worked on several 03 models, that are still on the road, and have over 100,000 miles on them, maybe you'd get lucky and find a bike that I whispered :rofl1:
The deal breaker for most on a bike that is 18 years old, besides what I've pointed out, is the ECU and the Alternator (both expensive to fix).
Shop around a little more, and check out SEVERAL ones before you pick one. Its a buyers market right now.
:WCP1:
 
Let me explain a couple things about my comment.
While I've worked on too many of these bikes to even recall, I think I can safely say (like the farmers insurance commercial) I know a few things, cause I've seen a few things etc.
These bikes, when serviced correctly, and maintained correctly, will often run past 300,000 miles IF they have been serviced and maintained correctly.
The problem with these bikes, is that they are so reliable that folks tend to treat them like a VW Micro Bus, and just run them into the ground, or they sit in garages, by the snow birds who own them for years at a time, and die a slow and painful death.
These bikes are pretty easy to maintain if folks are handy with some basic tools and knowledge, however, where I see a lot of damage done, is when folks start thinking themselves as CERTIFIED YOUTUBE MECHANICS, and are blindly following videos of what others have done etc.
There are a lot of videos out there, and to be honest, I've not seen one that shows the correct, or complete procedure for flushing/bleed either the brake or clutch systems correctly.
Just because someone takes their phone and makes of video of what "they" are doing at the moment, does not make it correct.
Another problem is folks interpret the service manual to suit their needs etc. "it says I only need to flush the fluid every 2 years or XX amount of mileage"," I only ride it 800 miles a years, so I don't have to do anything several years :mad:
Most of the damage found on these bikes were owner induced, meaning vampire clips in the wire harness, ghetto wiring jobs, using pliers instead of wrenches, using grease on the splines instead of paste, using energy conserving automobile oil, then wondering why the clutch slips etc.
Or my favorite "The brake and clutch system has never been open or bled, so there can't be air in it" :doh1:
My current 07 has 100,000 miles on it, and I would ride it to Maine tomorrow with even giving it a thought. However, I would not trust one of the NEW in crate 2016 police bikes being sold right now for $9,999 dollars out the door, without completely going through it and probably having to replace both the SMC and the CSC due to damage from sitting in their crates 5 years in some hot, and humid warehouse somewhere. (and yes, I have had to replace a few of these units on these new bikes just purchased already).
Some of the stuff is easy to keep working, oil changes, coolant flushes, brake and clutch flushing, however folks tend not to do it, now what was just a leaking hose clamp on the T-stat housing, just turned into a $100 dollar T-stat housing, because ignoring it for so long caused pitting and damage.
Not flushing the brake fluid yearly (even though the service manual says every two years) will corrode the SMC and quickly start damaging pads and calipers, at the very least, and risk tossing the rider off the bike when the brakes lock up without warning.
Bikes that sit for even a year in the garage, are often found with NO clutch pressure at all at the beginning of the riding season, and must be flushed/bled to get the lever back again.
And this is a huge FLAG that even though new fluid got the lever working again, you must think about what the Clutch slave cylinder must look like ;)
If the owner used the wrong brake pads, or installed them wrong, or didn't maintain the system, pads can vanish in just a few hundred miles, damaging rotors/calipers etc.
A person can't count on dealerships to work on a bike of that vintage, as they are normally told, "its too old, we refuse to work on them" etc.
So like another member pointed out, IF you like working on bikes, take pride in your service, and repair this used bike your looking at, it could/may last you 200,000 miles.
If your hoping to just USE the bike and get some enjoyment out of it before purchasing a BETTER one, you could be diving into a huge money pit and a lot of frustration and regret.
Money would be better spent on a newer model 07 and up for just a little more money. Then you wouldn't find out the hard way, that all the accessories and statements such as IT NEEDS NOTHING, were leading you down the wrong road.
Of course, I've worked on several 03 models, that are still on the road, and have over 100,000 miles on them, maybe you'd get lucky and find a bike that I whispered :rofl1:
The deal breaker for most on a bike that is 18 years old, besides what I've pointed out, is the ECU and the Alternator (both expensive to fix).
Shop around a little more, and check out SEVERAL ones before you pick one. Its a buyers market right now.
:WCP1:
Like your post just too many variables out there. If I was to sell mine I would never make that statement needs nothing. As I know I'm still on the same oem 21 year old coolant hoses and brake hoses and timing belt and my valves were last adjusted at 14K miles. Still she runs great and after I do the fluids and a new front tire I am going to do my long distance trips and not worry a bit. But if I put it up for sale and someone asks I will tell em about the oem parts and let them decide accordingly.
 
The last thing I’m looking for is to put more money into it. I’m also looking for some care free miles.
How do you define 'care free miles'? Riding without a worry? Then ANY bike requires maintenance. Even if you buy a new bike, there are things that need to be checked. When I sold my ST it came with a maintenance file of what and when I did anything to the bike, from adding an accessory to topping up coolant. Even bikes like mine will need servicing, and I maintained mine as well as I could every winter. Not put money into an old bike? That's a pipe dream. @Chris09 got it right: I wholly embrace the fact that every car and motorcycle purchase is a losing investment.
 
Let me explain a couple things about my comment.
While I've worked on too many of these bikes to even recall, I think I can safely say (like the farmers insurance commercial) I know a few things, cause I've seen a few things etc.
These bikes, when serviced correctly, and maintained correctly, will often run past 300,000 miles...
All the service and maintenance or lack there-of guarantees NOTHING. A ride around the block, short interstate run, and a visual inspection will most likely tell you everything you need to know about a CHEAP high mileage ride. 110K miles on any bike (maintained, serviced, or not) makes it definitely not new: it should be considered disposable (or a hobby project). It's up to the buyer what he personally considers a reasonable disposable price.

I admit I haven't anything near your experience with service or maintenance for a ST, but for over 10 years I regularly followed around the only person on this board I know to have actually put over 300,000 miles on his ST. The Black Pearl was mistreated, ridden hard, put up wet, serviced only when needed, and maintained only when broken (which was almost never). From 100K miles on, it's monetary value was most likely doubled every time Raymond bought new tires and filled the gas tank. It was certainly worth every penny he had into it. :rofl1:

Tom
 
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I think I would rather buy a bike that has been ridden fairly regularly (114K in 18yrs) as compared to a garage queen of the same vintage but with only 20-30k miles on it. I am a firm believer that a bike needs to be "exercised" to stay in decent condition. If it sits around, things dry out and rot. Witness Larry saying what he has to do to some "new" bikes.

I, personally, have put more than 100k on 2 04's. The first one actually had 200k miles on it when I sold it (not because there was anything wrong with it but because I got such a good deal on the next one). The second one currently has about 100k miles on it. Both bikes required nothing but regular maintenance and common sense attention although the second one did require a SMC at 40k miles. It seized up on the way home from buying it. I wouldn't hesitate to wake it up next spring and ride it across the country after checking the tire pressure. That being said, I have Larry's white phone number in my contact list:biggrin:
I agree with Tom. A good inspection and a test ride will tell you a lot. The ST is only slightly less reliable than an anvil.

The OP left out a lot of details-:
- is this at the top of his budget
- can he do routine maintenance
- is he comfortable doing his own evaluation
- where is he planning to ride it for only 10,000 miles (local only)
- etc
- etc
- etc

Way too much information missing to say yay or nay on this bike.
 
My old 2003 ST1300ABS, which I owned, and loved, for 17 years, really did not need anything, when I traded it in at 102K miles,, - other than a new ECU. About $1.200.00, new, for just the part.
 
My old 2003 ST1300ABS, which I owned, and loved, for 17 years, really did not need anything, when I traded it in at 102K miles,, - other than a new ECU. About $1.200.00, new, for just the part.

As others already pointed out bikes are seldom a good investment. That's why I call a high mileage older bike disposable; it doesn't mean it's subjectively worthless or can't be a great deal economically for the purchaser. To me it just means a repair can easily cost more than it's objectively worth, or it can be cheaper to simply replace the bike than to repair. :)

That explains why so many owner's who actually ride their older high mileage bikes end up with multiple nearly identical ST's in their garage ... :rofl1:

Tom
 
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