Speedometer Error

I've been contemplating making note of the speedo reading at speeds between 30 and 100 mph., reconciling those indications with what appears on a GPS, and placing small labels on the speedo bezel showing actual GPS-confirmed speeds in 5 or 10 mph. increments. I just need to find a label maker that:

A - makes labels that are small enough & reasonably attractive (or at least not ugly) and,
B - the label material is durable for the application (weather/sunlight/washing resistance).

If anyone knows of such a labeling device, perhaps a reply via PM or new thread (to keep from hijacking this one) is in order.

Good Ridin'
slmjim

I'd say find someone with a small modern (electronic) labeler, like a P-touch, Dymo or similar. But they reallyneed to be put inside the dash housing to be protected and to eliminate any parallax errors of your changing eye location.

For me I find it easier to memorize a few speeds based on RPM. I usually run 4k rpm in 5th to stay legal on the highway. If speedo wants to change it % off it can, a fixed rpm through a fixed clutch and gear assemble will produce the same speed at the tire and coupled to ground (give a percent for tread depth).
 
Just today I fitted a GPS to my bike for the first time. Surprise, surprise, the speedo indicates 70 mph fast at 65 mph true. I like the idea of a correction card like I've used in airplanes before, but I think I'll just add 5 and roll with it.

Compass correction card.jpg
 
Absolutely agree. Although my satnav (Zumo 660) usually shows a positional error of around 4m (lots of hills around here). So in theory it is possible to have a maximum 8m error (4m each way) when fixing two points within a second of each other. At 60mph - 27 m/sec - 8m is a massive percentage error.

But as we both said, given a clear sky and a constant speed and evened out over a few seconds, the error becomes relatively small, and the satnav shows a much greater and usable accuracy. I never said that they could not be accurate. I said that if you take a single, quick glance at the satnav speed, you cannot rely on it to indicate your true speed. The comparison with aircraft isn't quite valid - I believe that commercial aircraft use Doppler for their speed indications, whereas I believe most auto satnavs use distance / time calculations.

I was quite amazed at how accurate some of the really expensive GPS system can be - a magazine over here in the UK strapped one onto the rear of the ST1300 to measure the Pan Weave phenomenon in order to measure the alleged oscillations of the rear end.

No one has yet commented on the fact that the error that you observe on your speedo is not a fixed value. It changes, and is virtually guaranteed to change by at least 2% as the tyre wears down to the minimum tread depth, as well as being affected by all of the other external influences.
Enable WAAS on your 660 and see the position error decrease to 1.5 meters or less. Doppler? Yes, two decades ago.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wide_Area_Augmentation_System
 
I'm experimenting with building a speedometer that uses Doppler shift to measure the motorcycle speed. I got interested in this for two reasons. 1) I wanted to have a remotely located speedometer that I could put higher up in my field of view so I didn't have to look down so much and 2) I've always wanted to experiment with Doppler radar.

I just built a GPS speedometer with a 4 digit seven segment display. It's working very well. It does 10hz updates so I get to see updates to my speed in real time. As soon as I let go of the throttle, I can see the speed start to decrease with minimal lag. I thought doing a Doppler shift version would be fun to experiment with.

I've only put this in my car for the moment. I have to make a good case for the GPS version before I mount it to the ST.

Anyway, just wanted to share.

My ST speedo is off by a few mph compared with the Garmin readout which is slightly noticeable above 40mph.

Joel

This lists some potential gotchas with doppler radar vehicle speed.
This mentions using doppler to improve gps speed measurement.
Way beyond the point of diminishing returns but fun to play around with :)

Jeff, you can get a feel for real GPS inaccuracy (not much) by leaving it in a fixed position and recording it's track over time. There's a few freeware applications that will do this by the nmea sentences.
 
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I have the old version Speedo Healer, installed by the PO of my ST1300 in 2003. As a result, the speedometer reading matches the GPS indicated speed exactly. I like having an accurate speedometer. Other Japanese bikes I have owned have been off as much as 10% high.
 
No one has yet commented on the fact that the error that you observe on your speedo is not a fixed value. It changes, and is virtually guaranteed to change by at least 2% as the tyre wears down to the minimum tread depth, as well as being affected by all of the other external influences.
Well, I'll be the first to comment on this as I just installed a speedohealer on my bike with a completely worn out tire on the rear. I have about 9,000 miles on the rear tire and guessing I have about a 1000 more left to the wear bars. So when I change it our and put my last set of BT023GT's on, I'll post the speedo difference. Hoping it's not that far out that I have to re calibrate the speedohealer
 
So when I change it our and put my last set of BT023GT's on, I'll post the speedo difference. Hoping it's not that far out that I have to re calibrate the speedohealer

I have worn out several rear tires since installing the Speedohealer on my 2003. I have never changed the correction value and against my GPS, I can not see more than 1 MPH error from new tread to worn out. Brand of tire makes no difference either. I have used PR II's, III's and now the Shinko's. I do not even remember changing when I was running a DS rear. Then again, I can not remember what I ate for breakfast.

Yes mathematically there should be some error, but by GPS it is close enough to not show.
 
Well, I'll be the first to comment on this as I just installed a speedohealer on my bike with a completely worn out tire on the rear. I have about 9,000 miles on the rear tire and guessing I have about a 1000 more left to the wear bars. So when I change it our and put my last set of BT023GT's on, I'll post the speedo difference. Hoping it's not that far out that I have to re calibrate the speedohealer
I never commented on it because the effect is so small. I do occasionally observe and track odometer error against observed GPS distance for mpg calculations. The change in tire OD is only about 1.25% from full tread to the wear bars on a 160 series 17" tire. This is about 3/4 of a mph at 60 mph if my math is correct. Your observations using a speedohealer will be interesting to see.
 
Went through a school zone that had one of those radar trailers to let you know what speed you are doing. If the lights on the posted speed sign was flashing, you were supposed to be doing 25 MPH. NO flashing lights.
The radar trailer posted that I was doing 29 MPH, the GPS posted that I was doing 29 MPH, the speedometer posted that I was doing 29 MPH.
Slowed down to 25 MPH and they all posted 25 MPH.
REALLY happy with the speedohealer that I installed last week.:D
 
Went through a school zone that had one of those radar trailers to let you know what speed you are.......
REALLY happy with the speedohealer that I installed last week.:D

......... and the person who never really knows what time it is is the one with 3 expensive, accurate watches.
 
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The change in tire OD is only about 1.25% from full tread to the wear bars on a 160 series 17" tire. This is about 3/4 of a mph at 60 mph if my math is correct. Your observations using a speedohealer will be interesting to see.
I've got a Lufkin 1/4-Inch by 6-Foot Executive Diameter Engineer's Tape at work, I'll use that to check the worn diameter against the new tire diameter. I'm putting on the exact same tire that I'm taking off.

http://www.amazon.com/Lufkin-W606PD-Executive-Diameter-Engineers/dp/B0002JT2AI
 
I've got a Lufkin 1/4-Inch by 6-Foot Executive Diameter Engineer's Tape at work, I'll use that to check the worn diameter against the new tire diameter. I'm putting on the exact same tire that I'm taking off.

http://www.amazon.com/Lufkin-W606PD-Executive-Diameter-Engineers/dp/B0002JT2AI
I used the OD of a BT023 GT as given in the tire specifications. The tread depth when is 7/32". Worn to the wear bars the tire loses about 1/3 of an inch OD. Convert to revolutions per mile and there you have it. I've never looked at it like this before this thread but on the other hand at least once every month or so I check the odometer against the GPS to keep a current correction factor for mpg calculations. Yes, I correct my odometer readings for mpg (shrug, weird I know) so for the last 200,000 miles or so I've seen that the odometer correction factor changes very little from a new tire to a used tire, hence the speedometer also.
 
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