ST1100 abs cbs 1996

Two things.

None of the photos show the pad spring, so I cannot check that.

The photo shows a rear pad in the front caliper clip.

If the pad is Honda, that will not fit, rear pads are much thicker.
If the pad is not Honda eg ECM who use the rear pad pattern for front calipers - the pads are apparently not a good fit and some have experienced issues as a result.
 
jfheath said:
If the pad is not Honda eg ECM who use the rear pad pattern for front calipers - the pads are apparently not a good fit and some have experienced issues as a result.
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Was about to point out that the rough pad surface is not Honda OEM...

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jfheath said:
Two things.

None of the photos show the pad spring, so I cannot check that.

The photo shows a rear pad in the front caliper clip.

If the pad is Honda, that will not fit, rear pads are much thicker.
If the pad is not Honda eg ECM who use the rear pad pattern for front calipers - the pads are apparently not a good fit and some have experienced issues as a result.
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Yes that's right, you don't see PAD SPRING Part number: 45108MZ2016 But you see RETAINER BRKT Part number: 45112MZ2006

The brake pads are purchased from my local motorcycle shop MC Partner AS and are SBS brake pads, have installed SBS brake pads on both sides in front but the rear brake pads were good so that set is unopened and not the same as the front ones (see picture of brake pads for the rear wheel).

If you think this is not good then I will buy Honda's original ones which I see also have metal shims on the rear brake pads which SBS does not have …


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I cannot comment on those pads. I’ve used EBC pads just once and didn’t like them. Too noisy, and very thin backing plate. Rear pads wore through in no time. OEM rear pads are much thicker, and have the white heat shield as well as the chrome anti-squeal plate. There were also reports that the backing plate wasn’t quite the correct size which resulted in movement and wear that over time resulted in damage to the caliper, poor alignment and brake drag. Something like that. Having things like that buzzing round in my head each time I apply the brakes is something I can do without ! I’m a worrier.

There was talk about that time that pads that were not Honda were too sintered and resulted in excessive disc wear. But I have no info to support that. I just felt that it was worth the higher price for the longer, a reliable standard of manufacture and peace of mind.

You may be able to fit the squeal plate from your old pads.

I mentioned the pad spring in the roof of the caliper - because on the later 1100 models with abs/tcs, the spring can be fitted the wrong way round - which can cause issues as the pads wear, or new thinner aftermarket pads are fitted. I don’t know whether or not your bike has this type of spring.
 
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No, those are SBS brake pads from my local motorcycle repair shop.
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Well, I'd ride around a bit so they wear down a little, but keep a close eye on them for any issues arising...
Drag, squeak, shudder, fading(!), excessive dust, some even wear the rotor down quicker then the OEM would...
 
I just changed out the rear pads and cleaned up the brake pistons on my non-ABS.
Here is a pic on OEM pads, s/s plate, heat shield and top retaining clip.
I used EBC pads this time. Still have to settle them in before the season ends.
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that is the spring clip for the ST1100 - 2 pistons per caliper ?

The one for the AX has 3 pistons per caliper and looks like this

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there is a wide side for the pad closest to the pistons and a narrow side for the other pad.
but it is possible to clip it into place the wrong way round.
 
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jfheath said:
that is the spring clip for the ST1100 - 2 pistons per caliper ?

The one for the AX has 3 pistons per caliper and looks like this

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there is a wide side for the pad closest to the pistons and a narrow side for the other pad.
but it is possible to clip it into place the wrong way round.
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That is for the 2 pistons per calliper. I didn’t realize it was different for ABSII version.

As an aside, I had put the clip in one of the front calliper incorrectly and it resulted in much quicker and uneven wear of the pads on that side.
 
Sunday Rider said:
As an aside, I had put the clip in one of the front calliper incorrectly and it resulted in much quicker and uneven wear of the pads on that side.
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You get a similar effect if you incorrectly insert the spring that I showed for the ABS 3 piston models. This would put the narrow spring strip nearest to the pistons, so as the pads wear down and have to move out further, there isn't enough strip and there is a little tag that prevents the pad from moving across. So intitally the pad starts to tilt. Then it either brakes off the tag or it bends th tag over. When this happens the pad falls movesaway from the pad sring and the spring has nothing to press on and drops down towards the pistons - which for a while prevents the pad from moving away from the disk. WIth only the inside pad now pushing up, the spring will sit cock-eyed in the caliper. After the pad has worn down some more. the pad is prevented from moving again as it jams up against the wider part of the spring that is on the wrong side of the caliper and that get squeezed and bent.

I don't think that this improves brake performance - I'm sure Honda would have thought of it. 'Here - stick this bit of sprung metal in between the pads and the disk surface. See if it helps you to stop faster.'
 
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FWIW, I've always used Honda OEM brake pads on all of my ST1100s.
And I am still running the same discs that came on the bikes - each one has over 150,000 miles on them. ;)
 
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Trying to confirm correct installation of the spring clip for 3 piston caliper, as the first picture shows which way the spring clip should be placed. Added text to the second picture to better show which way it should go into the caliper and what should go against the 3 pistons …

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Uncle Phil said:
FWIW, I've always used Honda OEM brake pads on all of my ST1100s.
And I am still running the same discs that came on the bikes - each one has over 150,000 miles on them. ;)
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It sounds very good :thumb: My brake discs, from what I have seen, indicate that they are the ones the motorcycle was delivered with new and are within the limit after 105,000 kilometers.
 
jfheath said:
You get a similar effect if you incorrectly insert the spring that I showed for the ABS 3 piston models. This would put the narrow spring strip nearest to the pistons, so as the pads wear down and have to move out further, there isn't enough strip and there is a little tag that prevents the pad from moving across. So intitally the pad starts to tilt. Then it either brakes off the tag or it bends th tag over. When this happens the pad falls movesaway from the pad sring and the spring has nothing to press on and drops down towards the pistons - which for a while prevents the pad from moving away from the disk. WIth only the inside pad now pushing up, the spring will sit cock-eyed in the caliper. After the pad has worn down some more. the pad is prevented from moving again as it jams up against the wider part of the spring that is on the wrong side of the caliper and that get squeezed and bent.

I don't think that this improves brake performance - I'm sure Honda would have thought of it. 'Here - stick this bit of sprung metal in between the pads and the disk surface. See if it helps you to stop faster.'
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This provides a clear reminder to check the spring placement :thumb: If I understand this correctly, one brake pad in a brake caliper can also wear out faster compared to the other in the same brake caliper ??
 
ST1100Y said:
Well, I'd ride around a bit so they wear down a little, but keep a close eye on them for any issues arising...
Drag, squeak, shudder, fading(!), excessive dust, some even wear the rotor down quicker then the OEM would...
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All the feedback and very good information from you all here on the forum means I have to disassemble for the third time to check EVERYTHING so I'm sure this is correct. I have a complete gasket set lying around for the brake calipers too, just as well to be 100% sure once I have the motorcycle on the lift table and then I just have to order original brake pads.
 
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