ST1300 side stand maintenance/lubrication

Igofar said:
The pivot bolt gets worn and stretches, but so little that its hard to tell by looking at it.
While its never a bad thing to clean/paint/grease these points, a lot of folks think this is why the side stand stops "flipping" up by just touching it, when actually its the rubber sleeve that goes over the springs is what grabs and drags things. You'll find that spraying the inside of that, or applying some light grease, that your side stand will snap up really quick!
Another tip that may help, is taking a small screw driver and a handful of dimes, slip the dimes in between each coil, and this lengthens the spring and allows you to simply hang it in place.
Then all you have to do is take some needle nose pliers and pull the dimes back out, this saves you from scratching up all that nice paint you put on there.
:WCP1:
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This tip is marvelous, I learned it from the neighbor who introduced me to bike restoration ages ago. Just a little caution. Select coins, dimes/pennies/nickels that are too large of diameter to fall inside whichever spring you are stretching.
 
pmatulew said:
A: Constantly amazed at how much more thorough the required inspections are over on that side of the pond. in my region all we usually get is lights, tires, and horn :)rolleyes:)

B: Also baffled by how many have said they have never touched their side stands. I have to lube mine a couple times a year or it won't retract. Yes it has a significant amount of wiggle and I try to be gentle with it.
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Texas bike inspection requirements were last updated in the '60's. About all that's new is LED decorations...seems some people are distracted/frightened when they actually see a bike after dark.
On the other side, if a rider neglects maintenance she/he will end up on the side of the road in one fashion or the other.
 
ST-Traveler said:
Thanks for the tips- so are you saying probably just replace the pivot bolt then?
My wife said to replace the entire assembly and not mess around?
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A few points to consider. You have removed and replaced the springs at least once. Even though this is difficult, you managed it. The bolt is cheap and easy to replace, and after doing so, you can do a few tests to see if it has corrected the problem. Why spend $100 when $5 might be the solution - never mind the environmental considerations of throwing away a couple of steel parts that are perfectly good?

When you get the bolt, before you change it, remove the springs and measure lateral wiggle of the tip (foot end) of the side stand. Put in the new bolt and check the same movement. You can do this even more cheaply by buying a bolt of the appropriate diameter at a hardware store. If that tightens things up, you can order the OEM bolt. (I don't remember if this is a shoulder bolt or standard metric item.)
 
SMSW said:
(I don't remember if this is a shoulder bolt or standard metric item.)
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I got a picture of the pivot bolt, ( in post 11 first pic) it is unique in that it actually threads into the opposite side of the stand after you place the bracket between the stand... So I could not just put a bolt in that would test it because it would have to be the correct diameter and threaded on one end a different diameter. ( hope that makes since)

I agree with what you are saying and the reason for replacing all items is -- each time I order a part it takes 1 week to get it in. Thus if I order (one part at a time) it could take up to 4 weeks time to get all the different parts and test them..
Where I order from its not that easy just to send parts back so you better make sure what you actually need when you order the parts....Its easier just to throw the parts you don't end up needing in a -- extra parts I might need later bin..
 
Igofar said:
Do you mount/dismount with the bike on the stand?
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Yes , A lot --with the bike fully loaded with camping gear-- I would stand on the peg and throw my leg between the camping gear and front seat.. ( gas stations, road side rests, restaurants, etc..).now I know obviously not a good idea. :doh1:
 
Oldbikefixr said:
if a rider neglects maintenance she/he will end up on the side of the road in one fashion or the other.
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Not a word of the side stand is even mentioned under any of the regular maintenance section of either the owners manual or service manual???
Trust me I looked.
The only thing that is mentioned is the side stand switch. How to test and trouble shoot any problems with it.
My bike is 15 years old now and well broke in -- :biggrin: So I am starting to look at things differently on the bike -- even though its not broke--
In the service manual - pg 1-18 it tells you the torque of all the bolts for the side stand and bracket but that is it.
 
ST1100Y said:
Over here free, unobstructed movement with instant, full retraction of the kickstand (once gently moved over the threshold) is subject of the annual MOT (mandatory safety inspection)...
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pmatulew said:
A: Constantly amazed at how much more thorough the required inspections are over on that side of the pond. in my region all we usually get is lights, tires, and horn :)rolleyes:)
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Oldbikefixr said:
Texas bike inspection requirements were last updated in the '60's. About all that's new is LED decorations...seems some people are distracted/frightened when they actually see a bike after dark.
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My bike has never been inspected by anyone except me in over 15 years.. What are these required inspections you speak of?
I live in Ohio......Where I have never been asked any questions or any thing ever inspected on my bike.
 
Here are some crude measurements I put together for the engineering types, which I am not.....
In trying to study the situation, I have come to the conclusion that the side stand is bent at the top. The bracket thickness is constantly the same all throughout. The pivot bolt is definitely showing signs of wear.

I know I have to much time on my hands.. LOL....
 

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If you’ve been mounting her like a horse, you’ve probably bent the bracket, which is very common.
Replace the unit and be done with it.
Using hardware style bolts without the bearing surface shoulder may cause you to find your steed taking a dirt nap etc.
 
Igofar said:
You do know that the service manual and the common service manual are two different books?
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In all honesty -- do they really expect you to take half the bike apart to grease the center stand??? Remove plastic and headers- etc.. Not many people on here have done that I would suspect.. But again I'm not sure they expected people to own these bikes as long as we do.
There are many wear items on these bikes that are not even mentioned to grease, and for most people if its not broke don't mess with it.. Mine wasn't broke -- Yet anyway..
If I took my bike to the service shop I bet you they would never even look at that part of the bike.. I could be wrong---
 
ST-Traveler said:
Yes , A lot --with the bike fully loaded with camping gear-- I would stand on the peg and throw my leg between the camping gear and front seat.. ( gas stations, road side rests, restaurants, etc..).now I know obviously not a good idea. :doh1:
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I think we are overworking this thread, but I'll add to the confusion.
1. Reason to order the whole shebang - I've found that most of my fav. vendors charge from $7 to$12 to ship any iddy bitty thing. Order once and shipping is limited - and amortized over the cost of several items.
2. I've been mounting my bike this way for as long as I've owned it with no problems. I doubt you are alone. If sidestands were not built to take the extra stress we would be reading/hearing about many more sidestand failures. Besides, the wear takes place moving the stand. Mounting the bike - in my very limited experience - often takes place with the bike stationary. Bending the bracket is not the wear we are talking about here.
3. My auto mechanic goes over his customer's cars w/ a can of spray lube hitting door hinges, hood hinges, gas cap doors, trunks, etc. His attitude is, if it moves, it needs lubrication. (Which is why I stand stock still when I'm around him.) Not EVERY maintenance procedure is outlined in service manuals. Common sense and experience count for something. Did everything @Igofar does come from a book?
4. Put 'er on the center stand and vault the top box from the rear like Tonto and the Lone Stranger. Be a real man (for a while, until you don't vault high enough). :rofl1:
 
The built looks like a basic shoulder bolt to be that could be bought from Mcmaster.com or bolt depot.com. You'll probably pay as much in shipping though. Possibly get it from Fastenal if you've got one local, you'll pay for it though.
 
Okay everyone-- Took one for the team and ordered all new parts for the ST1300 side stand. Just under $100...

The verdict::please1:

All new parts -- Bracket , pivot bolt, side stand, springs --- Drum role please-------:doh1:

Made absolutely no difference at all-- The slop is by design-- Nothing is bent -- did not mount the bike in anyway to cause the side stand any harm.

So I have a complete spare assembly of the side stand that I don't need...but will keep just in case....

If you look at the video I posted earlier. New parts do the same thing..

Case closed again...:beatdeadhorse:
 
ST-Traveler said:
Okay everyone-- Took one for the team and ordered all new parts for the ST1300 side stand. Just under $100...

The verdict::please1:

All new parts -- Bracket , pivot bolt, side stand, springs --- Drum role please-------:doh1:

Made absolutely no difference at all-- The slop is by design-- Nothing is bent -- did not mount the bike in anyway to cause the side stand any harm.

So I have a complete spare assembly of the side stand that I don't need...but will keep just in case....

If you look at the video I posted earlier. New parts do the same thing..

Case closed again...:beatdeadhorse:
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Get the suspension sorted and you can take the spare side stand to a welder for lengthening.
 
My side stand also has lots of play, glad to hear it's normal.
I might remove the shoulder bolt eventually to check for wear and lubricate.
I always mount my steed by stepping on the left foot peg, then throw my leg over my grasshopper back rest. I will continue to do that too. :)
Glad your case is closed. Sorry to hear that your wallet got lighter. :)
 
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