STS - Smart Turn System on ST1300

cyberwolf009 said:
I can't seem to master cancelling my signals, so $79 doesn't seem too terrible.
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You and I have very different wallets.
wjbertrand said:
So I always laugh when someone says they ALWAYS remember to cancel their signals, how do you know when you've forgotten
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Have I forgotten to cancel them? Sure... years ago, and maybe left them on for about 40secs. I remember my instructor telling me about it over the radio.

Most manufacturers of modern motorcycles include things like flashing lights on the dash to get your attention (even the idiotic Triumph I recently rode had them). If that doesn't remind you to cancel them, other drivers around here will left-right-left-right at you until you realise what you're being told.

$79 to replace what my thumb does for free...
 
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cyberwolf009 said:
First, the hazard lights do not work.
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First- the ST has a wiring quirk in that respect and the makers of the STS module haven't written instructions to correct it.

Somewhere here on the forum someone has provided wiring information that allows the hazard flashers to work as intended along with the STS/

Second- there is a calibration required the first time the STS module is activated. I don't recall any mention of it being required more than once. It may be a wiring error that allows the module to lose power completely when you turn the bike off. Just a WAG though.

Maybe someone will reply with an actually useful response. One can always hope.
 
ad.hom said:
$79 to replace what my thumb does for free...
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Motorcycles going down the road with the flashers left on is unfortunately something that we all see often. Regardless of the reasons, be they justified to some or not, this happens. I ride with someone who does this regularly. For whatever reason he doesn't remember to cancel them and he often doesn't notice the turn signal indicator- says that in bright sunlight it doesn't get his attention. It might not be something that everyone needs but for those riders among us who can't manage to overcome this bad habit, and who will have to suffer the costs of having another vehicle turn left (right in your case) in front of them because that driver believed that they were going to turn because their flasher is on, $79.00 will seem very cheap when compared to the costs of that unwanted meeting.
 
It's like having a habit where you keep bonking yourself with a hammer, realizing it's a problem and then spending $79 on a soft hammer. :rofl1:
 
Whooshka said:
It's like having a habit where you keep bonking yourself with a hammer, realizing it's a problem and then spending $79 on a soft hammer.
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That makes absolutely no sense. That's one of those specious non-analogous analogies offered to prove something but fails to do so.

We take self-cancelling turn signals for granted in cars. And if they stopped cancelling automatically would all the 'thumbers' not get them fixed? Is repairing them the act of getting that softer hammer? Of turning their man card? Or do they make up some excuse to spend money to get them fixed.

I fail to see why some people take so much silly pride in decrying the STS or similar as though it makes them a better rider. It doesn't.
 
cyberwolf009 said:
I finally got the STS installed and am seeing a couple issues. First, the hazard lights do not work. Second, there's a delay the first time I use a signal. I have to hold the switch on for around 30 seconds the first time I use the signal after turning the bike on and then it will start flashing. After that there may be a few second delay the next time, but it finally becomes instantaneous after a few signals. Has anyone else experienced that? Note that I have not had the bike on the road yet, this is just testing in the garage, although I don't see why that would make a difference.
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The STS install is the best mod I made to my bike last year. And it continues to function very well. I wired mine so that my hazards still function. Those details are in in prior posts on the topic. Off hand,, I suspect that the delays you are experiencing are because your turn switch is not fully functioning, and needs a rebuild. The absolute importance of this is detailed in prior posts. The stock turn signals will still function with a switch that is full of bugs, dirt and dried grease. The STS likes a smooth acting switch with clean contacts. I also posted a substitute method for the neoprene return pads, that I find works better. You might consider trying that. Tearing down the switch is like doing clock work,,, but it is well worth the effort and is a video posted on how to do that. You will be happy with the result,,, cheers, CAt'
 
ST Gui said:
We take self-cancelling turn signals for granted in cars
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The implementation is different in every car I've ever driven, to the STS. It only self cancels after rotating the steering wheel sufficiently. It doesn't work for lane changes etc, so I've personally never taken it for granted.

I've owned a car where the indicator cancel broke, and you guessed it, I didn't bother repairing it (at the time, I was a student with better things to spend money on).

ST Gui said:
makes them a better rider
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Strawman, I've not seen anyone in this thread make that claim, feel free to quote...
 
ad.hom said:
The implementation is different in every car I've ever driven, to the STS. It only self cancels after rotating the steering wheel sufficiently. It doesn't work for lane changes etc, so I've personally never taken it for granted.
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Every car I'm aware of has what's called a "lane-changing" feature (invented in the mid 60s by a GM engineer) where you hold the signal part way, so it flashes without latching for as long as you hold it there, but I have not seen a bike with it.
 
ST Gui said:
The implication is obvious.
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To you, perhaps. As a 'thumber', my posts have been about frugality, not rider 'skill'. I don't consider it skillful to operate a switch designed for the job...

Larry Fine said:
Every car I'm aware of has what's called a "lane-changing" feature (invented in the mid 60s by a GM engineer) where you hold the signal part way, so it flashes without latching for as long as you hold it there, but I have not seen a bike with it.
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Maybe in the US. I've never driven a car with such feature.

My current car has something similar I guess, but that only gives 3 flashes, so short that it's utterly useless & I never use it. EDIT: that feature is "press & let go without latching" and it'll flash 3 times. Holding it for a lane change seems less of a design idea, more of a workaround.
 
Catmandu2 said:
I wired mine so that my hazards still function. Those details are in in prior posts on the topic. Off hand,, I suspect that the delays you are experiencing are because your turn switch is not fully functioning, and needs a rebuild.
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Thanks. This is the kind of information I was looking for. I finally found the thread regarding the hazards and I think I understand what needs to be done now. It'll be a week before I can get back to it, but between the extra wire and switch cleaning I should be headed in the right direction then.
 
ST Gui said:
The implication is obvious.
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There was no implication as to being a better rider. My point was really with a simple change in habit the situation can be resolved easily. If you can make it a habit to signal before you turn, you can make it a habit to cancel the signal afterward.

Larry Igofar's signature line comes to mind.
 
ad.hom said:
Maybe in the US. I've never driven a car with such feature.

My current car has something similar I guess, but that only gives 3 flashes, so short that it's utterly useless & I never use it. EDIT: that feature is "press & let go without latching" and it'll flash 3 times. Holding it for a lane change seems less of a design idea, more of a workaround.
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I have seen the 3-blink feature in Europe - and I love it. It's just what I need for lane changing. My US cars have never had this feature - here I have to hold the rod down, which isn
t the greatest ideas when focusing on driving. I see cars driving with the blinker on every single day (many people turn on the blinker while entering a freeway or when changing lanes, and simply forget to turn it off). I rarely see motorcycles with blinkers on, so it doesn't seem to be a big issue for may people - or the majority of bikes have STS installed?
 
mortenk said:
I have seen the 3-blink feature in Europe - and I love it. It's just what I need for lane changing
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Horses for courses. My 13 plate Renault has the feature, but I deem it insufficient.
 
FWIW, my 2019 Subaru Crosstrek bought here in the USA has the 3-blink feature. I used it a lot during our recent holiday travels, very handy.
 
Following up on the delay problem... I pulled apart the switch and cleaned and greased everything to no avail. What I came to realize is that the little pads can be pushed in a lot farther than I had original done, and they were actually keeping the switch from reaching the on position. Once I pushed them in fully, the switch now reaches the detent position easily and signals work as they should. The delay was apparently caused by it taking a while for the foam to depress enough for the switch to make contact. The STS signal cancel works flawlessly and cancels even on a smooth lane change.
 
cyberwolf009 said:
What I came to realize is that the little pads can be pushed in a lot farther than I had original done
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I found that the small round foam pads were a bit too stiff for my liking. That is why I replaced them with the makeshift plastic velcro hook-side "springs",,, which give me a stock feel. Although, the supplied foam pads may soften with use and temperature. Glad you got it sorted out,, and I expect you will be very impressed,,, cheers, CAt'
 
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