HeheheheWhatever they have done, i'm sure it will be the best ever, tremendous, better than anything ever!
The Cycle World review says the calipers are six piston. Which would be really awesome becuase the four piston ones on my FZ1 were the best I ever had.The pictures of the accessory front brake caliper covers show two sets of hoses going to each front caliper. So Honda has apparently continued the ST1300 practice of two pistons for normal actuation, and one for the linked brake function.
Or we could go to work for Honda and give them the benefit of our expertise showing them how little they know.skidgillen said:Oh well, I'm sure HONDA knows whats best for us.
I'm not hearing anything that sounds like the new Goldwing has even caused ripples in the K1600 world. The new Goldwing is still heavier than a GTL, down about 50hp, and 1.5 gallons of fuel, and the top box will come off of a K1600 in less than 5 minutes. The menu knob is out on the handle bar on a K1600 where it is easier to access instead of on top of the fuel tank.The K16 may be a little nervous.
The photo doesn't appear to indicate that the front left caliper actuates a SMC, but the two hoses indicate linked brakes, but since it has six piston calipers I suspect it's split 4-2. The linked brake system may well utilize digital control to handle the balance in front/rear braking, as BakerBoy suggests, but I don't know about having any less plumbing for the hydraulics.The pictures of the accessory front brake caliper covers show two sets of hoses going to each front caliper. So Honda has apparently continued the ST1300 practice of two pistons for normal actuation, and one for the linked brake function.
While the weight and HP differences could be important to some I think the fuel and top box issue may be much less so. If the GW's mileage is penalized compared to previous GWs by the smaller tank that could be an issue. But that needs some RWT.mlheck; said:The new Goldwing is still heavier than a GTL, down about 50hp, and 1.5 gallons of fuel, and the top box will come off of a K1600 in less than 5 minutes.
I do remove the top box when commuting back and forth to work and general one up riding. The top box only goes on when momma gets on.Removing a box in <5min is a plus. I just wonder how often it's used by GTL-type riders.
So one again it boils down to what bike is best for what individual and not the frequent appendage-measuring contest of 'my bike is better than your bike' stuff and nonsense.
If we could get a look at the Service Manual for the new Goldwing I bet there would be a schematic drawing of the brake system just like there is in the ST13s SM. That would settle the SMC/electronic/hydraulic question once and for all.The photo doesn't appear to indicate that the front left caliper actuates a SMC, but the two hoses indicate linked brakes, but since it has six piston calipers I suspect it's split 4-2. The linked brake system may well utilize digital control to handle the balance in front/rear braking, as BakerBoy suggests, but I don't know about having any less plumbing for the hydraulics.
Odd, I find the top box on STeed to be incredibly convenient, and am much more likely to remove the side bags for commuting than the box.I do remove the top box when commuting back and forth to work and general one up riding.
Setting aside the BMW fanboy tendency one would find on the K16 forums, I am inclined to agree. Sort of. From MY tech perspective, I'd say the BMW likely has a modest advantage. I have zero interest in all of the infotainment crap on either bike, so Honda's edge on that means nada to me. The adaptive headlights though, THAT'S a big deal, and Honda loses. On the flip side, Honda has the DCT available, but I'm not currently looking to go DCT on a bike....On the K1600 forum the new Goldwing is viewed more as a finally catching up bike, and not of any real comparison.
Having ridden Honda's DCT and BMW's (and other manufacturers') clutchless shift assist; I greatly prefer shift assist.On the flip side, Honda has the DCT available, but....