Took down a tree.....

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A friend of mine had a tree in his yard that lost a limb in last week's storm. His neighbor, who he said 'is a redneck guy who had a chainsaw in his crib' felled the tree. Sort of. First, a few numbers. The tree measured 196" circumference about 4 1/2' above grade (so called diameter at breast height) or 5' 2" diameter. I'm guessing the main trunk went up about 25 to 30' and the higher branches probably topped out around 85'. The limb that came down was an easy 2' in diameter where it left the main trunk and it was rotten. An online wet log weight calculator pegged this Silver Maple's main trunk at 22 - 25,000 lbs. Some pictures:

The main trunk - what is left standing. The splintered fragment hanging off the right is the remains of the storm damage. The red Corona loppers at the base are about 3' long.
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One of the bigger limbs to the right of the tree. We had a brown pants moment when I trimmed a limb off and what you see to the right of the trunk rolled to the left, toward me (I was staning behind the main trunk). I'd anticipated that, figuring the standing tree would stop its progress towards me. I had a clear escape path behind me, but as w/ all things grabbitywise, it moved faster than expected. Didn't touch me, and it moved as expected, but the quickness took my breath away. The limb hit the trunk, then slid down with a loud crash. It did surprise everyone (my wife, the owner and his girlfriend).
The tree had to come down. A number of the larger branches were rotting from the inside, we saw large carpenter ants carrying union cards, and this tree shaded the new solar array we put on my friend's shop. He had intended to keep the tree as long as it lived, but the storm pointed out the fallacy of that decision.
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The guy who took it down sort of blew it and crushed Brian's orchard. The area in front of the ladder (toward the camera) is about 25' wide and was the intended target - open lawn. Brian was afraid it would take the addition off his shop and said, he can live w/ his crushed cherry trees. The shop would have been much more expensive to fix. I was standing against the back wall of the shop when I snapped this pic.
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Rounds cut from the tree. In the background you can see the remainder of the piece that took out his fence. The replacement was meant to keep his dogs in the yard. As with the best laid plans, his bigger dog, Dozer (aptly named) pushed aside one of those rounds placed on its side against the fence and escaped last night. A local animal shelter called at 11.00 PM. Both dogs are well known throughout the neighborhood. The other one's name is Tank. @sirbike will be collecting much of the wood to use for fuel when he makes maple syrup next winter.
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Brian cutting up wood w/ his makita chain saw. This little beast kept going. He has a bunch of batteries for all of his tools (he is a carpenter) an kept swapping them out. I am surprised he didn't burn up the saw. He is standing just inside his 'orchard'. It was fenced and netted to keep deer away.
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Moi. I cannot tell a lie, I didn't do it all w/ the Stihl battery saw. While all I really did while the 'pro' limbed the tree was watch, Brian and I cut everything else up into rounds while my wife and his girlfriend cut up the small stuff and piled it for future shredding. Most of the rotten wood is behind me to my right. Ironically, there is more than a little spalting, and some of the split wood shows beautiful wavy figure. I'll turn a bowl or two... I'd suggested trying to sell the tree, or at least offer it to someone who would mill it into lumber. Brian did reach someone who was initially interested, but it did not pan out. We knew the heavy equipment and labor needed to handle such a massive chunk of wood might make salvaging it uneconomical. Had this been walnut.....
FYI whenever I used any of the chainsaws I was wearing the chaps, sun safety glasses, ear plugs, ear muffs, gloves, overalls, and heavy boots. No hard hat because the tree was down and there was really nothing to fall on me. Most of the larger pieces were cut w/ my Stihl MS250, some of the larger pieces were cut w/ my MS311, and Brian's Makita 18" chainsaw was amazing.
The sawyer dearly wants a 3" thick round out of the base of the tree and he will take the remainder down after we clean up the rest. A quick calculation yields that slab, presumably for a table, will weigh roughly 236.85 lbs (wet). We still have not the faintest idea how to deal with the main trunk once it is down. Where is @treemuncher when we need him?
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Thanks for the share. Glad it all went well enough and no injuries.

My Son and I dropped, cut and stacked 12 trees since Thursday. 40 to 80 footers. We run Larson and Son Tree Service (for 8 years now) to get people to pay me to exercise.

Hate Silver Maples. They should never be planted. Grow like weeds. Only use is to give a "mature" looking tree really fast to help sell new homes. Then they grow too big too fast. Soon they outgrow the available space and don't have the strength to hold up their limbs. Any time I am asked about a silver maple I advise "take it out now before it gets any bigger."

(sorry for opinion-ing all over your post)

Thanks again for the story and pictures.

Later,
Kent Larson from Minnesota
 
Isn't it amazing how much bigger trees and their branches are once they are on the ground!

All of you guys in this thread are welcome to come up for a visit. I have another 40 or 50 trees to cut down this summer. Bring your gear. I'll buy the gas, oil, pizza, and beer.

I agree about the silver maples, and any other breed that grows big and tall. Huge tall trees are nothing but a danger in a city environment and don't belong there.
 
I'm impressed.
There are dead trees in the wooded area behind my house where a backyard should be, mostly sweetgum and hickory.
Plenty to keep a part-time sawdust maker like me busy.
Most of them have fallen by themselves already, but still need to be cleaned up.
 
We run Larson and Son Tree Service (for 8 years now) to get people to pay me to exercise.
Kent, had I only known, my friend would have imported you....
Isn't it amazing how much bigger trees and their branches are once they are on the ground!
Are they ever!
All of you guys in this thread are welcome to come up for a visit. I have another 40 or 50 trees to cut down this summer. Bring your gear. I'll buy the gas, oil, pizza, and beer.
I'll tell my wife. We might just take you up on that. And if @sirbike can figure out a way to get the firewood back across the border (less those pesky ants w/ tools and union cards) he might come too.:rofl1:
I agree about the silver maples, and any other breed that grows big and tall. Huge tall trees are nothing but a danger in a city environment and don't belong there.
I love big trees - oaks. So majestic. And nothing beats swinging gently in a hammock in a breeze.
 
To answer your question, I'm on "vacation", in Maine, tackling a bunch of projects. The thought of that tree makes me and my big machine hungry. I'm not much of one to slow down too much and that's why vacation is still full of projects. Nothing as big as yours, thankfully. Saw work is dangerous. And you should still be wearing the hard hat - if the saw bucks back, it will go for your head or your neck. Glad to hear you are trying your best to do it the safe way. Enjoy!

Best chance to get someone interested in the main log is finding someone with a chainsaw type slab mill. That would get that monster cut into useable, mobile slabs that could be worked with smaller equipment. At least maple cuts fairly easily for a hardwood.
 
I love big trees - oaks. So majestic. And nothing beats swinging gently in a hammock in a breeze.
So do I, but there is a place where they should be and many places where they should not be. Species of trees that grow to 50 or 60 feet or more just get to big for most locations in a city environment other than in parks. Trees that literally tower over homes and power lines eventually become a liability and a maintenance nightmare. One good wind storm and they reek havoc. Hydro-Quebec has stated that as high as 70% of the power outages that they deal with are caused by trees already. Trees that are so big that if only part of them comes crashing down they have the ability to completely destroy a home are to big. My neighbour has several massive trees like the one in your photos on his property. He also has a 25,000 square foot property so this isn't a problem. A tree that size does not belong on the average 5, 6, or 7,000 square foot property and eventually becomes a danger to the surrounding homes.

On a related note all of the governments around here have gone on an over zealous campaign to plant as many trees as possible everywhere possible. They have planted so many trees that they are running out of municipally owned lands to plant them on. They are now asking private citizens and companies to allow them to plant trees on their private property. I can't imagine what the maintenance costs of all of these trees will be in 20 years, and who will pay for it, the company or the tax payer. One example is in what I consider to be a completely irresponsible move the city has planted a whole bunch of trees all along a street around the corner from me. In a stroke of brilliance they planted the entire row of trees along the entire length of the street on the same side as, and directly underneath, all of the electrical power transmission lines that run along that street. Will anyone be surprised if there is an increase in power failures due to falling branches in the future?
 
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We run Larson and Son Tree Service
It's amazing and scary the difference in results from a professional and "a guy with a chainsaw". I've seen lots of TV shows and YouTube video of what happens when "a guy with a chainsaw" thinks he can tackle a job best left to a professional. It's truly amazing to see someone fell a tree to exactly where it was meant to go.

And equally horrifying to watch it slowly go in a completely wrong direction with your eye moving ahead to where you know tragedy will occur. I've never seen video of a people damage so that's something. Not that it doesn't happen. Just that I don't need the object lesson.
 
A tree that size does not belong on the average 5, 6, or 7,000 square foot property and eventually becomes a danger to the surrounding homes.

On a related note all of the governments around here have gone on an over zealous campaign to plant as many trees as possible everywhere possible. They have planted so many trees that they are running out of municipally owned lands to plant them on. One example is in what I consider to be a completely irresponsible move the city has planted a whole bunch of trees all along a street around the corner from me. In a stroke of brilliance they planted the entire row of trees along the entire length of the street on the same side as, and directly underneath, all of the electrical power transmission lines that run along that street. Will anyone be surprised if there is an increase in power failures due to falling branches in the future?
My friend's tree is on his 1 acre parcel.

What kind of trees are the local governments planting? Around here they plant medium sized (when fully grown) trees that barely reach 30'. Not all gov'ts plant trees that will grow to80 or 100'. I agree planting trees under power lines is a bad move for the trees. The power company will top them and/or otherwise trim them poorly and they will grow to look distorted. You might give the local gov't a call and ask them why they did that and how they will deal with the trees when they grow to reach the power lines. But before you do, make sure they are trees that will indeed grow that tall.
 
I am trying to imagine the size of the rounds pile. Might be more than one trip with my Camry and 1000 pound capacity trailer. ;)

I saw a brilliant place that trees were planted today.
It was so beautiful. Trees
and shrubbery arranged just perfectly in traffic circle and the divider island so you don’t the cars.
 
My friend's tree is on his 1 acre parcel.

What kind of trees are the local governments planting? Around here they plant medium sized (when fully grown) trees that barely reach 30'. Not all gov'ts plant trees that will grow to80 or 100'. I agree planting trees under power lines is a bad move for the trees. The power company will top them and/or otherwise trim them poorly and they will grow to look distorted. You might give the local gov't a call and ask them why they did that and how they will deal with the trees when they grow to reach the power lines. But before you do, make sure they are trees that will indeed grow that tall.
I don't know what they are. Calling city hall will have no effect. It is way to late for that, we are way past the consultation phase. They have their plan and it is being executed regardless of future costs.

Here is an example. My sister in- law's electrical service has been ripped off of her house twice by branches belonging to the city. The tree is massive and at the end of its life. The city refuses to remove it or significantly cut it back in some misguided attempt to save the planet- this won't do it. The response from the city is to tell them to call an electrician, get it fixed, send them the bill. The electrician replaces the mast and often the wiring. Because this is emergency service the electrician charges through the nose. Also because it is based on an emergency the city does not require multiple estimates or a cost justification, they just pay whatever the bill is. This is happening all over the city. I personally know of three of these cases. This will only get worse as the trees that have been planted get bigger.
 
I am trying to imagine the size of the rounds pile. Might be more than one trip with my Camry and 1000 pound capacity trailer. ;)
I sent you a text w/ pics of the pile, I'll post those here later. It is way more than one load. The main trunk weighs between 22,000 and 25,000 lbs based on an online wet log weight calculator. One round 18" in diameter, 15" long weighs about 100# (99.45).
 
That's a massive tree.

Five decades ago neighbors at cottage decided it was too expensive to hire a local guy who actually knew what he was doing cut down a huge birch tree at the corner of their cottage. Was 3'+ at the base and probably 60 -70 feet high. So they started to chop the thing down and at the end of the day they were about half way through.......... Overnight the wind came up and the tree fell, taking about 6' off the corner of their cottage. Dumb luck that it didn't cut the cottage in half or kill someone.

As it turned out they did hire that same local guy to come by and finish the job and they then spent the balance of the summer months hiring various contractors to fix the damage to the building.
 
We have a large maple that just dropped a massive branch and clearly needs to come down. It will run about $3K to have it taken down, extra if I want them to take all the wood. They have a list however of woodworkers and people wanting firewood, so hopefully someone on the list will come and claim it.

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Turns out my little trailer is perfect for squeezing through the tight gate opening. These are 18”. The bigger ones will be fun to load.

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About getting rid of tree stump.
I found an instructional video.

 
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