Which Oil Filter?

PackJack

PackJack

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Calgary, Alberta, Canada
Bike
2007 ST1300
Just did my first oil change on my '07. ("My" first)
It had a filter on there about 4" long. Didn't pay attention to the brand.
Down to the Honda shop for an OEM. About 2" long.
Zowie! Tiny and $18 ?!?!?
Who's found a good one?
Apparently the OEM looks a little weak.
Thanks.
 
inside of the OEM filters are really poor quality! flimsy gasket material, open ended pleats, PBR valve is a metal cup that can jam open (find them this way a lot when I cut them open) etc.
Mobil 1 M110 is made by champion lab for them, but is a little costly $12+, or Bosch 3300 for about half as much at any autozone or parts store.
I've been using the Bosch for the last couple years with good results, YMMV.
 
The Purolator PL14612 is a pretty popular choice, too. A few people have used the slightly longer PL14610, [-]but you need a bit more than a gallon of oil for it[/-].

Edit: Got the numbers backwards (corrected) and you don't really need more oil. I'm using the PL14610 and a gallon. :doh1:

--Mark
 
Yes, Honda is really a poor quality manufacturer. What could the Honda Motor Company possibly know about specifying OEM parts for vehicles that barely make 300 or 400,000 miles without burning oil while using their crappy OEM filters? LOL I can't believe stuff like this.

If oil filter size is important - and why shouldn't it be - some guy on the internet says so, Honda uses one 7/8" longer in their auto engines that are two or three times the displacement of the ST1300. The Honda PN 15400-PLM-A01 or A02 costs $5 to $8 from a Honda auto dealer or online. I'm sure it's a POS but your Honda car might limp into it's second 500,000 miles using them :)

In the corner auto store...... their product offerings that fit nearly every Honda/Acura car since 2000 (Civic, Element, Accord, TL, RSX, others) also fit the ST1300.
 
I have read several threads about how the Honda filter is just plain junk, or the Fram filter is junk, yada yada yada. Most of them are "opinions" of folks that have no technical background or evidence to support their position. I can't imagine any filter manufacturer intentionally desigining a substandard filter. Sure, some have better design feature that might exceed the OEM requirement but you have to ask yourself what the goal is here; conformance to the requirements, no more no less.

As in the 'sticky' referenced above, some say you can slap a filter on your ST that was designed for an automobile if you want more capacity. Food for thought.....If your bike is covered under a factory warranty (as mine is) and you should have an engine failure, it is highly likely they will try to pin it on that oil filter that was not designed for your ST. Is it right? Doesn't matter, they hold the warranty and you just violated by using a filter not specified for use on your ST.

YMMV

Keith
 
dduelin said:
Yes, Honda is really a poor quality manufacturer. What could the Honda Motor Company possibly know about specifying OEM parts for vehicles that barely make 300 or 400,000 miles without burning oil while using their crappy OEM filters? LOL I can't believe stuff like this.

If oil filter size is important - and why shouldn't it be - some guy on the internet says so, Honda uses one 7/8" longer in their auto engines that are two or three times the displacement of the ST1300. The Honda PN 15400-PLM-A01 or A02 costs $5 to $8 from a Honda auto dealer or online. I'm sure it's a POS but your Honda car might limp into it's second 500,000 miles using them :)

In the corner auto store...... their product offerings that fit nearly every Honda/Acura car since 2000 (Civic, Element, Accord, TL, RSX, others) also fit the ST1300.
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Now this may come as a shock to you, but Honda does not make the oil filters :rofl1:, they purchase them from someone else, and probably source the cheapest ones to make more money etc.
I have a whole box full of filters that I have cut open for inspection, and I stand fast by saying Honda OEM filters are cheaply built compared to others that are available!
The OEM filter that came out of my wife's CRV was found in about 3 pieces (paper) and it was the original factory filter. I have found that Bosch and Mobil make superior filters to what Honda sells.
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Blrfl said:
The Purolator PL14610 is a pretty popular choice, too. A few people have used the slightly longer PL14612, but you need a bit more than a gallon of oil for it.

--Mark
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That's the same one I used. Its Yellow colored & looks pretty solid. I've not had a chance to look at the OEM filter so I've no comparison. I also think K & N makes high quality filters (Oil & air) though they are more expensive at ~$10/$15 compared to the excellent Bosch or Purolator ones at ~$6/$7 including shipping from Amazon.

Regards,
Vishnu
 
+1 on the Bosch filters - the main reason I use them besides the construction is apparent if you look at the seals. The OEM filter has a round O-ring cross section that compresses and allows the filter housing to seat on the engine surface when installed, that's how it is designed. This is why "those" types of filter can be very hard to remove.
The Bosch filters have a thicker square cross section seal that will not allow the filter housing to contact the engine surface. I have never had an issue with removing one of these filters. no matter how tight you torque it.
 
Blrfl said:
The Purolator PL14612 is a pretty popular choice, too. A few people have used the slightly longer PL14610, [-]but you need a bit more than a gallon of oil for it[/-].

Edit: Got the numbers backwards (corrected) and you don't really need more oil. I'm using the PL14610 and a gallon. :doh1:

--Mark
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Ditto. I have used the Purolator "PureOne" PL14612 in my ST1300 for 10 years and the "PureOne"PL14610 in my Honda and Acura cars for longer than that. About $7. Add a gallon of Rotella 5w-40 Synthetic and you are good for 8k miles or more.
 
I use the Purolator PL14610. It just happens to be the same filter my Nissan Maxima uses, so I only have to stockpile one filter type and size.
 
dduelin said:
Yes, Honda is really a poor quality manufacturer.
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.02 Honda marketing is willing to sell you a perfectly functional lowest bidder sub contracted oil filter and enjoy the margin of the logo on the box. Honda engineering left to their own devices is concerned with things that matter.

wheelsthatgrip said:
Sure, some have better design feature that might exceed the OEM requirement but you have to ask yourself what the goal is here; conformance to the requirements, no more no less.
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Goal.. Better performance at a lower cost and not having to make an extra run to the stealer.

wheelsthatgrip said:
it is highly likely they will try to pin it on that oil filter that was not designed for your ST. Is it right?
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Not since 1975. (magnuson-moss)
 
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Igofar said:
Now this may come as a shock to you, but Honda does not make the oil filters :rofl1:, they purchase them from someone else, and probably source the cheapest ones to make more money etc.
I have a whole box full of filters that I have cut open for inspection, and I stand fast by saying Honda OEM filters are cheaply built compared to others that are available!
The OEM filter that came out of my wife's CRV was found in about 3 pieces (paper) and it was the original factory filter. I have found that Bosch and Mobil make superior filters to what Honda sells.
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I know that Honda doesn't manufacture OEM filters but they specify a set of standards to be met and then buy filters at possibly the lowest price that meets the quality standard without deviation beyond acceptable tolerance, no more or less. I would expect nothing different. That's the very definition of quality.

Honda recommends OEM parts for the service life of the vehicle and stocks filters that meet these quality standards in order to protect engine internals for hundreds of thousands of miles when owners follow recommended service intervals. Of that there is no doubt. Hondas that roll up huge mileages isn't even noteworthy. I am certain there are filters built to higher standards but they only exceed the Honda quality standard and offer nothing the OEM doesn't because OEM still protects Honda engines to hundreds of thousands of miles. There is a point where good enough is good enough and Honda is very, very, good at what they do.
 
dduelin said:
I know that Honda doesn't manufacture OEM filters but they specify a set of standards to be met and then buy filters at possibly the lowest price that meets the quality standard without deviation beyond acceptable tolerance, no more or less. I would expect nothing different. That's the very definition of quality.

Honda recommends OEM parts for the service life of the vehicle and stocks filters that meet these quality standards in order to protect engine internals for hundreds of thousands of miles when owners follow recommended service intervals. Of that there is no doubt. Hondas that roll up huge mileages isn't even noteworthy. I am certain there are filters built to higher standards but they only exceed the Honda quality standard and offer nothing the OEM doesn't because OEM still protects Honda engines to hundreds of thousands of miles. There is a point where good enough is good enough and Honda is very, very, good at what they do.
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Well said. I second that. A lot of us frequenting this website spend a lot of time trying to better the stock (OEM) recommedations - oil, filters, etc. I do it too. But in the end, I have to question if my bike will really run better or longer if I use an aftermarket synthetic oil or different brand filter. No question that I might save money, and might go longer between oil changes (with a synthetic) but I really believe that something else will do the bike in long before it wears out.

For around 40+ years I've maintained our various cars and have never had an engine failure due to wear in the block's components. We usually keep them to the mid 150's to 200K miles. Air mass meters, corroded carbs (due to winter salt), starter motors, the list goes on and on. But worn out pistons? Cranks? Never!. Sure some piston slap as the miles get up over 150k and burning oil due to valve guides and worn rings, but by and large, the big pieces of the engine don't fail. As long as you do routine maintenance by the book, I don't think the individual replacement parts matter all that much. Modern oils and filters are just very well made.
 
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