Ya.. I knew all that already.. got the BM on the Tenere and it was 'okay'... the Sargent I tried I don't think was as good but I got rid of the bike before I could run it through it's paces. I don't like the wings on seats, never have. I understand the reasoning but I just don't like them. I think both offer non-wing versions of their seats. The Sargent on my ST is perfect for me. I'm giving the stocker a try and forcing myself to like it.. yeah, we'll see how long that lasts... LOL!Rick Mayer (Rick) and Bill Mayer (Rocky) are two Different companies. Both are brothers with not so good feelings towards each other. Long story. Both started from One, The Dad. Bill Mayer. Rocky inherited the business, Bill Mayer seats, and Rick set out as the competition. I run Rick Mayer seats on my ST and my Wee. I am looking into a Rick Mayer seat for the DR and the NT ( someday)