Sadlsor
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- Birmingham, Alabama
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- 2008 ST1300A
- STOC #
- 9065
Thank you.Duly noted
Thank you.Duly noted
"With all due respect, . . . " or "No offense intended, but . . . "amen, I know I have and probably will say something that offends. I am not intending to say get anyone off track and I am giving a preemptive apology.
Ridden normally on the road for a short distance, one might not notice the difference at first, but if you put the bike on a dyno, I’ll bet there’s measurably less power and likely some flat spots and drop outs along the power curve compared to with the intake cones in place. I’d bet there’s also a drop in MPGs, but that would take a longer ride to detect. Ridden on a backroad with some aggressive throttle inputs and exploring the entire RPM range, I have trouble believing any rider familiar with the bike wouldn’t notice the difference.Removing them does nothing that is noticeable. I have gone into the area numerous times and about 4 months ago while i was in there i removed the snorkels and placed them on the side then went further in. I took a break and another guy moved the snorkels i came back and installed everything back and packed up and left i was tired and had been working on the bike all day. I rode home 30 miles and got a message about the snorkels. As I was at work the next day i wasnt back at the yard for another 10 days. After 10 days of using the bike i could not notice any difference. Im sure they do something but you wont notice what it is
So mid-winter finds me crazy busy in the ski industry,,, but I was actually out for a short ride on my bike today. Between that short ride (dirty and salty dust on the roads),, and this threads topic being of personal interest to me,,, I gotta step in with a comment or 3. I made the above quote in 2017,,, but I have had some relevant actual experience with the intakes since then. I reported it in my thread on the "the Bazzaz bike", on which I made many mod's,,, including removing the upper velocity stacks (as a trial). The lower portion (about 1.25 tall) of each stack is still in place, and they need to be,, to secure the airbox. I have spent hours reading and watching test video's on the topic of velocity stacks,, and my opinion of the out come of their removal was that, it had to be a bad idea. But then I actually did it,, and tested it that way all last season. I tried it because I could easily un-try it by replacing the upper stacks. Longer story short,,, in combination with the other rather extensive intake and exhaust mod's that I made acceleration was definitely increased. I don't doubt that the removal is costing some fuel efficiency at faster cruise speeds. But, since I mostly ride the '04 locally,,, and tour longer distances on my '12,,, I do enjoy the extra torque that Blue STar has now,,, and won't be putting the upper stacks back on. Okay,, enough for now,,, flame away,,, I am off skiing for a week,,,, but I look forward to reading comments from members who have actually tried a mod',, and are not just offering untested opinions (like I did back in 2017),,, best, CAt'Removing your inlet tubes will reduce performance. Cat'
Yeah its probably my riding style i dont ride aggresive there is never a time when im gunning it all the way through the gears. On a 300 mile ride to peterborough and back at triple digits it was golden but under very fast accelaration up through the gears it would probably be noticeable i just dont ride like that i tried it once on a group ride with some people doing some knarly moves but after one guy dropped back we went round a corner and hit roadworks he came in super hot and just managed to swerve 6 of us but nearly didnt.Ridden normally on the road for a short distance, one might not notice the difference at first, but if you put the bike on a dyno, I’ll bet there’s measurably less power and likely some flat spots and drop outs along the power curve compared to with the intake cones in place. I’d bet there’s also a drop in MPGs, but that would take a longer ride to detect. Ridden on a backroad with some aggressive throttle inputs and exploring the entire RPM range, I have trouble believing any rider familiar with the bike wouldn’t notice the difference.
One should not consider a 30 mile ride without the intake cones in place as empirical evidence that Honda doesn’t know what they’re doing…
Its interesting to hear from people who have tried different mods or ideas regardless of what they are. Im in a FB group and when the discussions come up about LED headlights you often get people saying LED headlights are crap its impossible to get the correct beam pattern they blind everyone etc Yet phillips sell LED headlights. Once put up a before and after picture of the beam pattern and was told i photoshopped it. LIke i have any idea how to photo shop anyway.So mid-winter finds me crazy busy in the ski industry,,, but I was actually out for a short ride on my bike today. Between that short ride (dirty and salty dust on the roads),, and this threads topic being of personal interest to me,,, I gotta step in with a comment or 3. I made the above quote in 2017,,, but I have had some relevant actual experience with the intakes since then. I reported it in my thread on the "the Bazzaz bike", on which I made many mod's,,, including removing the upper velocity stacks (as a trial). The lower portion (about 1.25 tall) of each stack is still in place, and they need to be,, to secure the airbox. I have spent hours reading and watching test video's on the topic of velocity stacks,, and my opinion of the out come of their removal was that, it had to be a bad idea. But then I actually did it,, and tested it that way all last season. I tried it because I could easily un-try it by replacing the upper stacks. Longer story short,,, in combination with the other rather extensive intake and exhaust mod's that I made acceleration was definitely increased. I don't doubt that the removal is costing some fuel efficiency at faster cruise speeds. But, since I mostly ride the '04 locally,,, and tour longer distances on my '12,,, I do enjoy the extra torque that Blue STar has now,,, and won't be putting the upper stacks back on. Okay,, enough for now,,, flame away,,, I am off skiing for a week,,,, but I look forward to reading comments from members who have actually tried a mod',, and are not just offering untested opinions (like I did back in 2017),,, best, CAt'
Didn't mean to offend you by pointing out that you may not be aware or notice the difference in the way the bike ran without the snorkels in it.I wasn't trying to make enemies i just took Umbridge at being told i wasn't in touch enough to notice how poorly my bike is running. My bike runs sweet at slow speed and when I twist the throttle it hitches up its skirt and gets some. On the m4 sitting at high speeds the bike purred all the way to Peterborough and back last month. There is a reason for them
Yeah its probably my riding style i dont ride aggresive there is never a time when im gunning it all the way through the gears. On a 300 mile ride to peterborough and back at triple digits it was golden but under very fast accelaration up through the gears it would probably be noticeable i just dont ride like that i tried it once on a group ride with some people doing some knarly moves but after one guy dropped back we went round a corner and hit roadworks he came in super hot and just managed to swerve 6 of us but nearly didnt.
Well that changes everything....FB groups are so much higher skilled and trained than folks who are trained and skilled to work and build motorcyclesIts interesting to hear from people who have tried different mods or ideas regardless of what they are. Im in a FB group and when the discussions come up about LED headlights you often get people saying LED headlights are crap its impossible to get the correct beam pattern they blind everyone etc Yet phillips sell LED headlights. Once put up a before and after picture of the beam pattern and was told i photoshopped it. like i have any idea how to photo shop anyway.
On paper they are there for a reason and as another person stated they may affect aggresive riding. To me the bike feels very quick on accelaration but i dont ride aggresively so cant comment on that. Maybe some people that do may remove them and then post up how that went. There are people that have been riding a ton longer with way more experence than me it would be interesting to get some more feedback onthe matter
The engine was designed by Honda to use them.Cool. I don't really need your life story but If you have any hands on experience running the pan with and without funnels I would be interested on what you found the difference to be. Cheers
Here’s some good ones.or trust some FB group or YouTube video’s and believe you know more than the research folks who build them.