They are no longer required to state it on the container ?how do you know it’s not energy or resource conserving now since they are not required to state so on oil containers?
More and more I am leaning towards just JASO oils.Nope, been that way for the past few years.
I know, but does it?Not good for motorcycles as it has friction inhibitors which are bad for wet clutches.
And so? If they say it, then it is. If they don't say it then it isn't... most likely.
Because it was pointed out that labeling an energy conserving oil as such is no longer required.And so? If they say it, then it is. If they don't say it then it isn't... most likely.
I'm missing the point your making, unless you mean we should just look at the label to make sure that it DOESN'T say it.
what are you trying to do ? Find some magic oil that does what? Mobil 1 euro is more expensive than most of the diesel oil that many use. No it's not JASO Certified but it meets JASO standards. Molybdenum is one of the anti friction modifier used in many oils in different amounts. Too much moly is bad for wet clutches.Because it was pointed out that labeling an energy conserving oil as such is no longer required.
Mobil 1 Euro 5W40 is $24.00 for 5 quarts.what are you trying to do ? Find some magic oil that does what? Mobil 1 euro is more expensive than most of the diesel oil that many use. No it's not JASO Certified but it meets JASO standards. Molybdenum is one of the anti friction modifier used in many oils in different amounts. Too much moly is bad for wet clutches.
which one is the good moly and which one is the bad moly? Did you hear how many ST's blew up from using the wrong oil. Rotella 15/40 has less than 5 ppm. There is no spec on how much moly is acceptable. There have been clutch failures on this site but I don't believe anyone has actually sent the clutch plates out to examine the moly content in the plates and if that was the reason for failure or if it was just worn out. Raymond has over 200k on a st1100 and I think I remember him using Rotella ( I could be wrong) Don't worry a diesel oil will have a good additive package, those trucks go over a million miles. don't try to reinvent the wheel.Mobil 1 Euro 5W40 is $24.00 for 5 quarts.
It depends on the type of moly. We really need to stop saying moly causes clutch problems. For example Redline 10W30 motorcycle oil has 130 ppm moly.
I am looking at different oils to see if I can find one with a good additive package. Preferably synthetic, without paying a high price.
There is a lot of disinformation about oil on this site. I would like to see people have more options and proof of why a particular oil is good or bad.
@Igofar was saying Rotella appeared to be causing clutch problems. Due to a new formula? And that is not because of moly.which one is the good moly and which one is the bad moly? Did you hear how many ST's blew up from using the wrong oil. Rotella 15/40 has less than 5 ppm. There is no spec on how much moly is acceptable. There have been clutch failures on this site but I don't believe anyone has actually sent the clutch plates out to examine the moly content in the plates and if that was the reason for failure or if it was just worn out. Raymond has over 200k on a st1100 and I think I remember him using Rotella ( I could be wrong) Don't worry a diesel oil will have a good additive package, those trucks go over a million miles. don't try to reinvent the wheel.