Anyone install the STS self cancelling turn signal module?

I have an observation after riding for a few weeks with the working unit.

For my riding style and conditions, I'm not keen on the time it takes to cancel after a lane change.

My reason is that I ride in an urban environment and the length of time to cancel after a lane change is long enough to be seen as intent to turn.

Eg change right to left and it keeps blinking left long enough to possibly be seen as signalling to turn left.

This is not a big deal to me. Having the comfort of knowing they will cancel is very reassuring.


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DavidR8 said:
I have an observation after riding for a few weeks with the working unit.

For my riding style and conditions, I’m not keen on the time it takes to cancel after a lane change.

My reason is that I ride in an urban environment and the length of time to cancel after a lane change is long enough to be seen as intent to turn.

Eg change right to left and it keeps blinking left long enough to possibly be seen as signalling to turn left.

This is not a big deal to me. Having the comfort of knowing they will cancel is very reassuring.


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That's actually a pretty big deal to me. Some oncoming vehicle might make a left across your path because they think YOU'RE turning left if your signal is still on. Head ons suck.

I made it a habit to cancel 2 or 3 times after every turn. Often minutes apart.
 
Whooshka said:
I made it a habit to cancel 2 or 3 times after every turn. Often minutes apart.
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So just trying to make sure I understand. You are cancelling routinely,, even though your signals are no longer flashing,, just to be sure ?? Given that either the STS would have cancelled them,,, or you would have cancelled them yourself the first time,,, and the next cancelling or two over the next few minutes are just backups ?? That does seem like a lot of cancelling for what is supposed to be a self-cancelling system.

Re David's observation as well,, I also noticed long "time out",, and/or lane change, cancellation times yesterday (my first day after getting that feature to work). It was very windy,, and I drive in both urban and rural settings. I need a bit more test time today, on this concern. But I believe the ST's inherent smoothness challenges the STS. Make a sudden and definite lane change,,, and the accelerometers cancel the signal immediately. Make a long smooth lane change,,, and the accelerometers can not detect that. They wait a bit for something to happen,,, before defaulting to auto-cancel after about 15 flashes or so. However,,, the STS is also sensing vibrations (both road and engine) to make it's decision,, as well as time elapsed. And vibrations are not something our bikes do much of. This is why my earlier use of velcro defeated/confused the STS's time out algorithm.

Anyway,,, I will get some further test time with this feature later today. And will post what I learn ,, Cat'
 
Catmandu2 said:
So just trying to make sure I understand. You are cancelling routinely,, even though your signals are no longer flashing,, just to be sure ?? Given that either the STS would have cancelled them,,, or you would have cancelled them yourself the first time,,, and the next cancelling or two over the next few minutes are just backups ?? That does seem like a lot of cancelling for what is supposed to be a self-cancelling system.

.............Cat'
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No I don't have the STS. Just a riding habit I developed over the years to ensure I never leave a turn signal on. It's no biggie to thumb the button.
 
Whooshka said:
No I don't have the STS. Just a riding habit I developed over the years to ensure I never leave a turn signal on. It's no biggie to thumb the button.
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Okay,,, gotcha,,, actually I used to do something similar, before my STS install. And I should point out that I did this in large part because my T/S switch was unreliable. Once I cleaned it out,,, which is covered earlier in this thread,,, it made a tremendous difference. So I encourage anyone who is uncertain of their own switch to do this service,,, for use with the STS or not. Cheers,, Cat'
 
Catmandu2 said:
Okay,,, gotcha,,, actually I used to do something similar, before my STS install. And I should point out that I did this in large part because my T/S switch was unreliable. Once I cleaned it out,,, which is covered earlier in this thread,,, it made a tremendous difference. So I encourage anyone who is uncertain of their own switch to do this service,,, for use with the STS or not. Cheers,, Cat'
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Yep exactly why I do it. My switch is stiff/vague so I don't always know if it engages. Gonna clean it out too. Thanks for the tip.
 
Catmandu2 said:
Anyway,,, I will get some further test time with this feature later today. And will post what I learn ,, Cat'
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So this afternoons test ride of the STS went very well,, with all cancellations performed very well,, and within reasonable time frames. I did find that it is possible to fool it into a long period cancellation,,, by doing such a smooth and gradual lane change that it can't distinguish between that and a normal variation of road course. I am quite happy that I bought mine on the Christmas sale pricing,,, but would now be happy to pay the going rate,,, if I had not already put the difference into most of a new front tire. Anyway,,, I recommend the STS to all who want to enhance their signal cancelling safety,,, Cat'
 
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So I encourage anyone who is uncertain of their own switch to do this service,,, for use with the STS or not. Cheers,, Cat'
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I'm now in that boat and do not want to get into the habit backup cancelling. From time to time I forget to cancel but catch it before toooo long.

On a recent ride to Napa area I found that I was leaving them on all the time! Actually paying attention I realized I was turning them off (most of the time LOL!) but the signals wouldn't stop without a slow deliberate press.

So I have to go beyond field stripping the pod (blast of compatible contact cleaner) and open it up and clean and grease. That was a helpful video knowing that unlike the right pod there's a ball and spring that might be lost without using due care and caution. And that I could put my eye out! :rofl1:
 
Yesterday my replacement STS module arrived. Mark came through as promised. Now I have to remove the tupperware, unplug the bullet connectors I installed when the original unit failed, and plug in the Y connectors i made to join the Gray and Pink wires together and test it out. Oh yeah - I will have to clean and lube the switch - take it all the way apart, insert the foam plugs and put it all together. Cat and David, I might be PM'ing you w/ questions about exactly what you did to clean said switch.

Since we have nice weather and a few rallies coming up this might have to wait a bit.
 
SMSW said:
Yesterday my replacement STS module arrived. Mark came through as promised. Now I have to remove the tupperware, unplug the bullet connectors I installed when the original unit failed, and plug in the Y connectors i made to join the Gray and Pink wires together and test it out. Oh yeah - I will have to clean and lube the switch - take it all the way apart, insert the foam plugs and put it all together. Cat and David, I might be PM'ing you w/ questions about exactly what you did to clean said switch.

Since we have nice weather and a few rallies coming up this might have to wait a bit.
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Cool!
We standby ready to assist!


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MaxPete said:
Hi Al-Hala: I'd sure like to see the details of that plug-n-play harness you are building - in fact, I am sure that we'd all like to see it!

Pete
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Well. Been a while.


Now that the sidetrack projects are done (fork springs, gold valves, valve check and shim adjust, horns installation, correct connectors received) I've finally gotten around to building and installing the harness.


I've pictures, but these are of the "rough working state" kind. I've still the need to terminate the loom properly, tidy up the actual harness between the connectors, and (as others have seen) splice a couple of wires in the harness to achieve working hazard lights.


Having said that, here is the preliminary pics: apologies on the focus on the one. I will update them when I finalize it.


I've successfully put it to the test, and the long leads (routed through the frame, across the sides of the airbox, under the seat clamp) are apparently not picking up enough electrical noise to upset the module. Wiring used is Ancor marine 16 AWG, wrapped in 5/8 expandable wire loom. Six conductors run to the module, and the rest directly connect from one plug to the other. Power runs from the front of the bike (where the switched power tap was already in place due to the heated grip installation) to the rear.

I did prefer to mount the module far up in the cowl as others have done, but the previous owner(s) installed speakers right where the mounting spot is, so I found other locations.

With regards to the bullet connectors; once I have finalized the wiring lengths and positions, I will likely cover them with heat shrink and be done with them.

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My STS system is simple to install and goes from bike to bike with ease. SingleThumbSystem, works every time! :grin:
 
I just finished the installation on my Super Ténéré. Hardest part was identifying the correct wires under the right side cowl. The wire colors on the downloadable STS instructions are incorrect.

The thinner of the two foam pads worked perfectly to prevent the signal switch latching. Disassembling that left side switch pod is a bit of a treat though.

Testing in the garage, everything seems to work as it should so far. I was pleased to find out my 4-way emergency flashers were not affected, so no need for any additional connections to preserve that function. Yamaha must wire ‘em a little differently to Honda.

Making a pistachio run tomorrow so will report back on function tomorrow night.


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As promised here's my update. I did a nice 230 mile ride today, with a side trip to stock up on pistachios. The STS thingy is brilliant. As others have said you can fool the system when doing a lane change if you just kind of drift and make no steering movements. It will eventually time out, counted to "one thousand 30" so about 30 seconds, if you don't make any movements. It flashes a bit longer than I'm used to after completing a lane change, but I found just starting the signal a bit sooner helps and is probably good practice anyway. Going 'round actual corners it works brilliantly. One slight annoyance is that when moving into a long turn lane it often thinks your done with a lane change and shuts off before you reach the actual turn. I expected the turn signal switch to feel different or be more difficult to push with those rubber pads in there, but it feels the same as OEM. It took me a few miles to figure out that to cancel the signal you just move the switch again in the same direction, tying to push it off is pointless as the switch has not latched and the system has taken control of the indicators at that point. All in all a handy little gadget!

I had so much fun watching them cancel that I never forgot about my signals today. If I don't get over that it'll be a double improvement.
 
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Those so you have installed the STS on an ST1300 had. Better luck than I did. I have my bike torn apart, and have the wires tapped. But I do not get the confirmation flash of lights when I connect the first 3 wires plus positive and negative When I connect the wires to themselves everything works fine, but not when I connect the STS unit. I suspect the grey wire is the problem. In fact, when I reconnect the two turn signal lines the signals work normal even without the grey line reconnected. If the grey line is the signal wire they would not blink without it, right? Do you think I have the wrong wire? The grey wire was right next to the orange wire, seems right to me.
Terry
 
Okay, crises over, it is working. I started with the wrong wires, then had some trouble with bad connections, but it works! Special thanks to those who posted pics, especially of the wiring since STS pics are of nonSTs.

Now, does everyone loose their hazard lights, or did I do something else wrong? I can live without them, but sorry to loose them.

Much thanks to all who shared their experince and knowledge on this.
Terry
 
I did not lose my e-flashers. Check back on my photos,,, to see where I doubled up two wires into the same bullet connectors. Off the top of my helmet,,, I can not remember the colors,, that is why we take photo's,,, Cat'

STS is still working great,, btw,,
 
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