DCT question

[Andrew Shadow]

As I recall the rev limiter on my 2005 held 1st gear to about 52 mph, 2nd to about 70 mph. The limiter would protect the engine from over revving when accelerating but no rev limiter can stop an over rev when downshifting.

I realize now that we are referring to two different scenarios. When you wrote that the ST1300 can't be downshifted from fifth to neutral at speed, I thought that you meant that it could not be put in to neutral simply because it was moving to fast. I thought so because this was part of the discussion about how the DCT can not be shifted in to neutral simply because it is in motion. Based on your above response, I realize that you meant that the ST1300 can not be shifted down to neutral by actually releasing the clutch and engaging each gear along the way. When I wrote that it can be shifted from fifth to neutral, I meant simply downshifting to neutral without engaging the clutch in between each gear- simply going straight to neutral with the clutch lever being held in the whole time.

What did you think would happen if you missed N and went to 1st?

I had no concern for that at all. Whenever I have done this I was intending to go to a coasting mode, so I wouldn't have released the clutch lever if the neutral light wasn't lit.

 

[Skunkape]

The limiter would protect the engine from over revving when accelerating but no rev limiter can stop an over rev when downshifting. What did you think would happen if you missed N and went to 1st?

Reminds me.

As Dave knows years ago we had a wrecker service and garage. I picked up a kid in a Toyota Supra on an off ramp of I95. "It quit and won't start" After checking it out it had a bunch of bent valves. The story is he was coming down the highway at a very high speed and hit the off ramp and dropped it into a low gear to slow down. Can't remember speed and particular gear now but way to low for his speed. His response. "Well it has a rev limiter doesn't it"?

 

[Sadlsor]

I'll admit to "occasionally" riding in a, um..., spirited fashion.
My 08 1300 has never found the rev limiter, with me at the handlebars.
So, there is one?
I never knew.

 

[dduelin]

IIRC 9250 rpm limit = 52, 70, 106, 130 respectively. GPS verified of course, due to error the speedometer will show 150 + top end. It pulls to about 8700 in 5th. Closed course of course.

 

[the Ferret]

Another question... if you decide you like riding in say S-1 and select that does the bike automatically default to D auto mode when it's turned off ? In other words do you have to select a mode every time the ignition is turned on?

The 2021 model also supposedly has an operator programmable mode however that would work.

 

[Skunkape]

Bike reverts back to automatic and tour mode once you turn it off and restart. However someone (Guhl?) is reflashing the computer which allows it to start back up in the same riding mode you turned it off in. Haven’t heard if will stay in manual mode upon restart. You can pick different options for the reflash. It’s just a matter of pushing a button to change. I haven’t felt the need to reflash.

I know nothing of what you are talking about for 2021 model.

 

[the Ferret]

Reminds me.

As Dave knows years ago we had a wrecker service and garage. I picked up a kid in a Toyota Supra on an off ramp of I95. "It quit and won't start" After checking it out it had a bunch of bent valves. The story is he was coming down the highway at a very high speed and hit the off ramp and dropped it into a low gear to slow down. Can't remember speed and particular gear now but way to low for his speed. His response. "Well it has a rev limiter doesn't it"?

Just read a piece yesterday about a guy that towed his 2021 Jeep behind his motorhome in 4WDL and grenaded the engine which would have been turning 54,000 rpms at 55 mph

RV Driver Annihilates Their New Jeep Wrangler by Flat-Towing It in 4-Low

This is what a Jeep engine looks like when revved to 50,000 rpm.

www.thedrive.com

 

[Bulitt]

Another question... if you decide you like riding in say S-1 and select that does the bike automatically default to D auto mode when it's turned off ? In other words do you have to select a mode every time the ignition is turned on?

The 2021 model also supposedly has an operator programmable mode however that would work.

Depends on the bike. On my Goldwing, it defaults back to drive each time the key is turned off. On my VFR and also my NC750X it defaults back to the mode you were last in when you put it in drive. I like S2 so when I start the bike and touch the drive button it goes directly to S2.

Goldwing sequence is as follows: (I like it in manual all the time). Turn on key, hit starter button, push drive button, push manual button. This all happens in about a second and is really just muscle memory at this point.

 

[Erdoc48]

^^ To Bulitt:
How do you like your NC 750X? I’ve been researching them recently, and it looks like a very nice (and lighter) bike. Enough power with the DCT as compared with an ST? Sometimes I toy with the idea of keeping one of the STs and getting something like the NC as a lightweight toss around bike. Your thoughts?

 

[Bulitt]

^^ To Bulitt:
How do you like your NC 750X? I’ve been researching them recently, and it looks like a very nice (and lighter) bike. Enough power with the DCT as compared with an ST? Sometimes I toy with the idea of keeping one of the STs and getting something like the NC as a lightweight toss around bike. Your thoughts?

I liked it a LOT! Plenty of low end grunt, will run at highway speeds, feels light due to the low center of gravity, good looking, GREAT gas mileage. Great ergonomics. Based on what you said, I think you would like it. If you have ever ridden an R100 BMW it will remind you of that with modern gee whiz upgraded electronic stuff.

The things I didn’t like about it, was a chain drive and a bit underpowered, but that is just my personal preference as I still like to wick it up to pass or just.....because. The motor is tuned for gas mileage and if you are drawn to a Prius or a Subaru, the NC will be your dream bike. Compared to your ST, it will feel feather light and slow......but that is by design and an engine half the size. It is what it is.....and does it very very well!

One final thought. If you are not set on a DCT, another bike that is about the same weight but pulls a little harder is the Tracer. I really like the looks and ergonomics of those and if I wasn't so sold on DCT and a shaft, would probably own one.

 

[Sadlsor]

<SNIP>
One final thought. If you are not set on a DCT, another bike that is about the same weight but pulls a little harder is the Tracer. I really like the looks and ergonomics of those and if I wasn't so sold on DCT and a shaft, would probably own one.

I understand Mr. @Mellow may be able to talk to you about the Tracer...

 

[Bulitt]

I understand Mr. @Mellow may be able to talk to you about the Tracer...

Yeah I saw he was a GT900 pilot. I sat on one at the Yamaha display last week in Daytona and it feels and looks really sweet!

Here is an added DCT bonus. I used to ride on the highway on a lot of previous bikes (mostly beemers) with my boots on the rear pegs and lean slightly forward for a change of position. Never really liked the highway peg out front thing. If I had a tank bag, I could almost lean on it with my boot heels hung on the rear pegs.

With the DCT, I have learned I can ride my VFR in that position, anywhere, as much as I want unless I have to stop and put my feet down. All through the gears....using my front brake and gears to slow down. Fun position in the corners.....

Yeah yeah.....I know. Doesn’t take much to amuse me....

 

[Larry Fine]

With the DCT, I have learned I can ride my VFR in that position, anywhere, as much as I want unless I have to stop and put my feet down. All through the gears....using my front brake and gears to slow down. Fun position in the corners.....

I'm the opposite. I'll sometimes ride with my right boot on the PSR blade and my left on the peg, shifting as needed.

 

[Erdoc48]

I liked it a LOT! Plenty of low end grunt, will run at highway speeds, feels light due to the low center of gravity, good looking, GREAT gas mileage. Great ergonomics. Based on what you said, I think you would like it. If you have ever ridden an R100 BMW it will remind you of that with modern gee whiz upgraded electronic stuff.

The things I didn’t like about it, was a chain drive and a bit underpowered, but that is just my personal preference as I still like to wick it up to pass or just.....because. The motor is tuned for gas mileage and if you are drawn to a Prius or a Subaru, the NC will be your dream bike. Compared to your ST, it will feel feather light and slow......but that is by design and an engine half the size. It is what it is.....and does it very very well!

One final thought. If you are not set on a DCT, another bike that is about the same weight but pulls a little harder is the Tracer. I really like the looks and ergonomics of those and if I wasn't so sold on DCT and a shaft, would probably own one.

Thanks for the info- much appreciated!

 

[Bulitt]

I know exactly what you feel. I constantly going around these slow pokes who don't want to drive, and they're a majority on the roads. It doesn't take much for a bike to go around car. For some unknown reason many even feel offended... I feel much more stressful riding in the states especially after riding in Europe.
What bothers me even more, is that instead of arguing our point, we have to be apologetic and looked down upon by a cop who thinks that he's a tsar and can do anything he pleases.

As for the automatic tranny, I test rode a dct and regular GW and dct liked more.
Not because I favor an auto,but I think that it behaves livelier.
I still don't agree with the shifting pattern, but it's the case with all auto trannys I ride or drive. You can ride in full manual mode yet it defeats the purpose of having a dct.

To me the best of two worlds is having a clutchless shifting.

Evidently, Officer Friendly was following behind me two cars back. I had no idea.....

 

[ST Gui]

What bothers me even more, is that instead of arguing our point, we have to be apologetic and looked down upon by a cop who thinks that he's a tsar and can do anything he pleases.

That is disappointing. Unless the rider is being a total AH trying to defend why they deliberately broke the law - there's nothing wrong with being friendly and sociable while writing a ticket. Nothing to argue and waste a rider's time. "Line 20. Press hard - three copies. Have a nice day".

 

[catcher]

@Ferret , this just occurred to me; re your screen name, are we to think of you as a polecat, or as someone who sorts/searches out whatever questions may arise in connection with our motorcycle endeavors?

 

[the Ferret]

@Ferret , this just occurred to me; re your screen name, are we to think of you as a polecat, or as someone who sorts/searches out whatever questions may arise in connection with our motorcycle endeavors?

Lol. My nickname came from a friend of mine John McGee ( nick name Maggie) that I bow hunted with for about 25 years I guess. John wrote a comedy column for Bowhunter Magazine called Maggie's Meanderings about our hunting group's exploits. He called us The Dumb Bunch. He had a nickname for all the guys we hunted with, usually animal related, according to their characteristics like Owl Face who had a round head or Frog, who was short and had big thighs and was always squatting. One day I asked why he called me Ferret, and he said because I was small and fast and usually got what I was going after. Although these days I'm fat and slow so should probably be called the Sloth lol. John died from cancer a few years ago. I miss him terribly. He was a funny, funny guy who saw the world just a little differently than everyone else.

So I guess as to your question, it's more the latter than the former lol

 

[JimTid]

I bought a 2014 NC700 DCT and enjoyed it for a couple of years. It was Dduelin's fault for letting me ride his. I tired of the NC700's low horsepower. I always liked the DCT but wanted more power so I bought a 2016 Africa Twin DCT. That was Playinatwork's fault for letting me ride his. I still own the Africa Twin which is more or less a street/dirt road bike for me, because I'm not manly enough to handle the beast on challenging terrain. I use a WR250R for dual sport riding. and it has a rekluse, which makes "ME" a better off road rider. I do enjoy using the clutch on my 2020 KTM 690 SMCR and fully embrace the electronics (ABS,TC, street/race mapping). I encourage riders to try different bikes and different types of riding if it is in the budget and they have the time.

 

[Bulitt]

I bought a 2014 NC700 DCT and enjoyed it for a couple of years. It was Dduelin's fault for letting me ride his. I tired of the NC700's low horsepower. I always liked the DCT but wanted more power so I bought a 2016 Africa Twin DCT. That was Playinatwork's fault for letting me ride his. I still own the Africa Twin which is more or less a street/dirt road bike for me, because I'm not manly enough to handle the beast on challenging terrain. I use a WR250R for dual sport riding. and it has a rekluse, which makes "ME" a better off road rider. I do enjoy using the clutch on my 2020 KTM 690 SMCR and fully embrace the electronics (ABS,TC, street/race mapping). I encourage riders to try different bikes and different types of riding if it is in the budget and they have the time.

Same story here. NC was great, but a little underpowered for my tastes at this point in life. Replaced it with a VFR12X DCT that I absolutely love. Want to wick it up and pass a line of cars? Done. No preplanning necessary. Much better bike for me and my type of riding.