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DCT question
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the Ferret
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I believe the dealer and I have a deal on the 750X DCT, just a matter of finalizing the numbers on paper. Guess this is the end of my super long riding career. The big heavy sport touring bikes are just getting to be too much for me anymore, especially since my wife has decided she's done touring. Had a great time, 42 states, 2 provinces of Canada and 5 countries in Europe, most of it 2 up with my wife. We've ridden 90% of the great roads in this country and visited most of the major touring destinations. I'm guessing time and medical fraility, has finally caught up with me. At my age my father had moved from a Harley dresser, to a Yamaha R5 350 twin, to a Honda CB 350 four, to a Honda CB 200 twin to a Moto Guzzi 125 Stornello single.. his last bike before his passing at 78 yo.
Looking forward to learning the idiosyncrasies of the DCT trans and see how it responds to the country curvy roads around home.
Looking forward to learning the idiosyncrasies of the DCT trans and see how it responds to the country curvy roads around home.
Last year I saw a bike in town that at first glance I thought was a Africa Twin but it turned out to be a Honda NC 750 X. The bike was equipped with aluminum panniers, which I guess made it look larger, and packed to go camping. Maybe this will just be the next chapter in your motorcycle touring adventure.
You're "scaring" me.
What's a "big sport touring bike"?
At 63+ (wife 10 years younger), the ST13 and Gold Wing are working for us. Granted, we don't do long distance touring.
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the Ferret
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Lol the big sport touring bike are 125-150 hp 700 pound + dressers meant for cross country touring ( which I no longer plan to do) and overkill for the 45-55 mph curvy country roads which compromise the vast majority of my riding these days.
I was older than you when I rode my ST 1300 from Ohio to California and back, 5500 miles in 11 days averaging 500 miles a day, 11 days in a row. I was 67 when I rode my bike straight thru from Arkansas to home, 698 miles in 12 hours. Next month I turn 71 ( my wife is 69)). We both have some medical issues, so I am at the point in my riding career that I no longer need a bike that capable so to speak. I'm not riding like that anymore. Most of my daily rides are 40-60 miles locally. I'm sure the NC 750X will prove perfectly capable for that.
I was older than you when I rode my ST 1300 from Ohio to California and back, 5500 miles in 11 days averaging 500 miles a day, 11 days in a row. I was 67 when I rode my bike straight thru from Arkansas to home, 698 miles in 12 hours. Next month I turn 71 ( my wife is 69)). We both have some medical issues, so I am at the point in my riding career that I no longer need a bike that capable so to speak. I'm not riding like that anymore. Most of my daily rides are 40-60 miles locally. I'm sure the NC 750X will prove perfectly capable for that.
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I would say you have earned the right to ride whatever you want to! I think you will really like an NC750X.
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the Ferret
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another DCT question for those with the 700 or 750X...which mode do you find yourself riding around in the most D, S1, S2 or S3? ...or in the manual mode using the paddles?
My 2015 NC700X only had Sport and Drive for Auto mode choices. Much of the time I choose Drive and overrode the computer programmed shift points as I saw fit. In the twisties I would use Sport and manually downshift at least one gear lower at corner entry and let it shift itself out of the corner. I almost never used full Manual mode except on low traction surfaces like dirt or slippery pavement.
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the Ferret
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Wow the new ones have drive, 3 pre programmed sport modes, and a 4th mode you can somehow personalize your shift points with.
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I had a 2019 750 and I found S2 for me was the sweet spot. S2 holds the gear about as long as I ordinarily would before upshift so it worked well for me. Same with my VFR12. It has 3 sport modes and #2 again is the sweet spot for me.
My wing is another story. I run it in manual, tour mode all the time and just upshift when ready. The Wing has four modes, sport, tour, Econ and rain. Tour is the sweet spot for me.
This is one of the beauties of the DCT. Lots of choices!
I don’t think it has a 4th learning mode in Sport. DCT to a limited degree ‘learns’ how you ride it and will change shift points based on the demands of the moment but it doesn’t store this ‘learning’ in memory, it is only in the moment.
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the Ferret
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From the Honda press release:
With the DCT gearbox, the rider may choose Manual mode, using paddle-style triggers on the left handlebar to change gear, or Automatic mode. In Automatic mode for the NC750X, 4 different shifting schedules operate, with 3 defaults: Level 1 is the most relaxed, and is used within RAIN mode; Levels 2 and 4 shift up at higher rpm and are linked with STANDARD and SPORT riding modes.
Within the USER riding mode, a fourth DCT shift pattern – between those for STANDARD and SPORT in terms of ‘aggressiveness’ can be chosen.
SPORT gives more aggressive delivery of engine power and braking, with low HSTC intervention and DCT mode 4.
RAIN delivers engine power and braking least aggressively, has high HSTC intervention and Level 1 for the DCT shift pattern.
STANDARD delivers a balanced middle point for engine power delivery, engine braking and HSTC intervention, plus mode 2 for the DCT."
USER offers custom options of low/medium/high for delivery of engine power and engine braking, low/medium/high/off for HSTC, and four different shift patterns for DCT.
With the DCT gearbox, the rider may choose Manual mode, using paddle-style triggers on the left handlebar to change gear, or Automatic mode. In Automatic mode for the NC750X, 4 different shifting schedules operate, with 3 defaults: Level 1 is the most relaxed, and is used within RAIN mode; Levels 2 and 4 shift up at higher rpm and are linked with STANDARD and SPORT riding modes.
Within the USER riding mode, a fourth DCT shift pattern – between those for STANDARD and SPORT in terms of ‘aggressiveness’ can be chosen.
SPORT gives more aggressive delivery of engine power and braking, with low HSTC intervention and DCT mode 4.
RAIN delivers engine power and braking least aggressively, has high HSTC intervention and Level 1 for the DCT shift pattern.
STANDARD delivers a balanced middle point for engine power delivery, engine braking and HSTC intervention, plus mode 2 for the DCT."
USER offers custom options of low/medium/high for delivery of engine power and engine braking, low/medium/high/off for HSTC, and four different shift patterns for DCT.
This is a new feature and might be on the 2021 coming this summer. Are you buying a 20 or 21?
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the Ferret
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2021 ... lots of upgrades... more hp and torque, less weight, 600 rpm higher redline, revised modes, 3 level TC, lower seat height @31.5", ( important for me ar 5'5"), led lighting, self cancelling turn signals, emergency flashing brake lighting, bigger frunk, bigger windshield, new instrumentation and more
Going to add fender extender, heated grips, centerstand, handguards, cramp buster, luggage rack
Going to add fender extender, heated grips, centerstand, handguards, cramp buster, luggage rack
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Yes, I’ve been watching 6 months or so the 2021 but I didn’t nuance the transmission changes. Those changes sounds like a lot of tech came over from the latest Africa Twin. They’ve had user selectable options the NCs did not have.
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the Ferret
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Figure all the upgrades were designed for Europe since the bike is popular over there and something like 59% of the NCs sold are DCT. We are probably getting the upgrades by default lol, but I like all the upgrades so glad we are getting them
I've followed the bike since 2011, owned two for 65,000 miles, and no one was more surprised when American Honda announced the 2021 with all the upgrades was coming to North America. Previous significant model changes to the NC did not come here for years after the EC market got them. It's such poor selling model in the US each year I expect to see it dropped each year but glad to see it in the line up at least another year.
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the Ferret
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Coming at just the right in my life and motorcycle career. I think ( hope) its everything I need now. Just have to wait until June for delivery.
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the Ferret
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in the way of an update
On June 22, 2021 I traded in my 2018 Yamaha FJR and picked up the 2021 NC 750X DCT. As of a couple of days ago I have put over 7,000 miles on it. It has been a pleasant surprise. I have done one out of state tour on it which it did with aplomb, but most of my riding has been as described in the beginning of this thread, daily local curvy roads rides in the 40-60 mile range. Some of the things Honda advertised didn't materialize, like the self-canceling turn signals and the emergency flashing lights when decelerating, but that hasn't been a big deal. The DCT trans has turned out to be brilliant., and I am enjoying that aspect of riding. After trying standard mode, sport mode and several set ups in the User mode, I've found standard mode suits me fine while using the - paddle for downshifts when desired like passing, going up a hill or going downhill thru a series of curves. The downshifts are slick and instantaneous. Hit the button andit's in a gear lower, hit it twice and you are 2 gears lower, faster than you can imagine. I am averaging 74 mpg which is astonishing. It feels amazingly light pushing it backwards out of the garage and handles quite well. The Frunk is handy but I don't use it as much as other seem to on the NC forum.
I do wish it had more power. I miss big power lol. I'm looking forward to a test ride on the AT based 2022 NT1100 if I am tall enough. 100 hp and 80# torque sounds great, and it will be available in a DCT. in the meantime, will keep putting miles on this lightweight gem.
On June 22, 2021 I traded in my 2018 Yamaha FJR and picked up the 2021 NC 750X DCT. As of a couple of days ago I have put over 7,000 miles on it. It has been a pleasant surprise. I have done one out of state tour on it which it did with aplomb, but most of my riding has been as described in the beginning of this thread, daily local curvy roads rides in the 40-60 mile range. Some of the things Honda advertised didn't materialize, like the self-canceling turn signals and the emergency flashing lights when decelerating, but that hasn't been a big deal. The DCT trans has turned out to be brilliant., and I am enjoying that aspect of riding. After trying standard mode, sport mode and several set ups in the User mode, I've found standard mode suits me fine while using the - paddle for downshifts when desired like passing, going up a hill or going downhill thru a series of curves. The downshifts are slick and instantaneous. Hit the button andit's in a gear lower, hit it twice and you are 2 gears lower, faster than you can imagine. I am averaging 74 mpg which is astonishing. It feels amazingly light pushing it backwards out of the garage and handles quite well. The Frunk is handy but I don't use it as much as other seem to on the NC forum.
I do wish it had more power. I miss big power lol. I'm looking forward to a test ride on the AT based 2022 NT1100 if I am tall enough. 100 hp and 80# torque sounds great, and it will be available in a DCT. in the meantime, will keep putting miles on this lightweight gem.