(FCE) Fuel Cut Eliminator for ST1300 - On-Off Throttle Issue Resolved

Your experience with the FCE?

  • NO ISSUES: I have the FCE and am happy with it

    Votes: 51 68.0%

  • REPLACED: I had an FCE w/issues and it was replaced, no issues now

    Votes: 3 4.0%

  • EXTERNAL: I have an FCE w/issues but they ended up being something else

    Votes: 3 4.0%

  • OUTSTANDING: I have an FCE w/issues

    Votes: 11 14.7%

  • REPLACED: I had an FCE w/issues and it was replaced, still have issues

    Votes: 7 9.3%
  • Total voters
    75
Re: Fuel Cut Eliminator for ST - On-Off Throttle Issue Resolved

I think I'll call Ivan's shop and see if mine should be replaced...

I hope my particular anomalies don't discourage too many people from trying out this device. When mine works, it's just as advertised.
 
Re: Fuel Cut Eliminator for ST - On-Off Throttle Issue Resolved

I have had mine since April and put 4000 miles on it without problems. I wonder if the altitude changes and the ECU compensating for the changes are related to the ones with problems. Seem as tho most problems are with the higher altitude bikes.
 
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Mellow said:
I wonder if he has a time frame on those orders that had some problems.

I've had mine a couple months now and works great. Did well in SD and have not had any issues at all.

I have yet to ride in higher elevations but everything else is great. I do have a rough Idle I noticed last week but I'm thinking I may have a bad plug as it's only coming from one side... I can feel the air out of one pipe as more constant that the other. If new plugs don't correct that I'll report back.

I've only seen a couple real issues in this thread, some were explained by other things so overall this still seems like a great mod. I sure don't want to have to replace mine as it's no fun getting in that area of the bike... for me.
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I believe my stumbling issue on the right side was a loose plug wire... I pulled the thing right out of the connector... thought to myself 'what's that gonna cost to replace'... but, didn't know this... there's a spike on the inside and you just press it into the center of the plug wire so it makes contact... mine was almost all the way out so I was probably missing a spark every now and then... seems to purr just fine now.
 
Re: Fuel Cut Eliminator for ST - On-Off Throttle Issue Resolved

I called and talked with Ivan today about the problems I have been having with my FCE. He said that altitude would have no effect on the FCE, in case any of you were wondering. He was a straightforward and pleasant guy to talk to. He said send my unit back and he'll replace it since it sounded like I might have received a defective unit.

So if any of you are wondering if this is a worthwhile mod, don't. It is. And if you have any problems, Ivan is a straight up dude and will cover you. :yr1:
 
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Going on vague data here... but I believe Ivan's website implied at least two models of the FCE (FCE and FCE-002) perhaps with different wire counts. The first one described mods to the throttle position sensor, the -002 model applies to the O2 sensors and has 6 wires.

I just don't see how removing the mixture feedback from the ECU (by modifying the O2 signals) can help with true fuel cut issues. It may help lean burning (surging at slow speeds), but that's not the same thing. I talked with Ivan and agree he's a good guy, but I wasn't able to get an understanding of WHY the FCE helps. So I've not purchased one.

Seems the jury is still out on just how well the FCE works over a spectrum of conditions. For this level of complexity, a lone guy in a well equipped busy shop with one bike isn't in the best position to test all that's needed, so customers become the test crew.

Back to my experience I would like to correct: down hill, seems worse at higher altitudes, twisties (on and off the throttle): the bike runs well enough for a while, then in some unsuspecting moment buried in a corner the fuel cut happens. No power mid corner. Bike begins to drop... so you try to add power but nothing, so you twist a bit more... then boom; fuel cut releases and you have a handful of throttle mid turn (when you're already struggling for control).

I'd be willing to bet there's been a few crashes as a result of this behavior. The few times I was actually pressing corners when it's happened I've nearly crashed (on those two occasions I stood the bike up and used every ounce of the excellent praiseworthytofavoritediety ABS to stop before the guard rail or cliff).

Odd thing is that every bike I've owned I've also trusted enough to drag pegs within then first 5k miles. The ST1300A is not a bike I trust that much. Had I been even close dragging pegs the loss of power would have caused something hard to drag and ensured a low side slide.

Maybe we need a group letter to Honda stating our concerns? Ask them to explain what this is?
 
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I installed the FCE today. It was pretty easy...the instructions are thorough and pretty much take all the guessing out. It took me about 3 hrs...that included several breaks and taking everything apart and putting it back together.

my issue with the bike wasn't necessarily the throttle, the bike will be 2 tomorrow and at install the bike had 46588 miles on it. I adjusted all the play out of the throttle when i first bought the bike and put the cruise on. with those miles I think had learned the throttle and clutch pretty well....a little jerky at low speeds but nothing I couldn't adjust for. so mainly I bought it to try and smooth out the bike, lessen the heat and increased mileage....as some of stated here.

just got back from a 100 mile ride...what I noticed...the bike seems to have a tad bit more power, the throttle is definitely more responsive, but to be honest I'm not sure if I like it yet or not..it kinda reminds me of the vtec in my 04 VFR, just not quite to that extent tho, but then it also reminds me of the cruise control surging.....so i'm not sure :rolleyes: the heat still seems the same...the bits are still toasty:p: I had one other thing to say, but I lost it for now...

that's my 8.3 pennies worth;):D
 
Re: Fuel Cut Eliminator for ST - On-Off Throttle Issue Resolved

I had one other thing to say, but I lost it for now...

Just wait Dan............. it gets worse............... ;^)

mitch
ST geezer...
 
Re: Fuel Cut Eliminator for ST - On-Off Throttle Issue Resolved

Installed the FCE in my 2009 ABS ST1300 on Saturday morning. Whoa! What a wonderful difference!!!

Ivan, you da' man!:bow1:

Slow speed throttle provides total control, no more flat spots, smooth as can be. The increase in throttle control in tight twisties was confidence inspiring.

I put 515 miles on the rest of the weekend. I did interstate, up mountain twisties, down mountain twisties, farmland sweepers, small town streets with red lights, just about every road type and all was great.

Another satisfied customer. It may be the best farkle I have done to my bike. As someone else noted, it turned a good bike into a fantastic bike.

That is my experience.
 
Re: Fuel Cut Eliminator for ST - On-Off Throttle Issue Resolved

Any one have a definitive way to tell if you have 'one with problems'????....

I got mine a few weeks ago but haven't put it in yet, haven't had a block of time.

Sure would like to know BEFORE I install it if it needs to be replaced.....

thanks!
 
Re: Fuel Cut Eliminator for ST - On-Off Throttle Issue Resolved

janfmiller said:
Any one have a definitive way to tell if you have 'one with problems'????....

I got mine a few weeks ago but haven't put it in yet, haven't had a block of time.

Sure would like to know BEFORE I install it if it needs to be replaced.....

thanks!
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Just install it. If it's not right just unplug it and send it back. You can bypass the unit and just plug in the terminals with it removed.
 
Re: Fuel Cut Eliminator for ST - On-Off Throttle Issue Resolved

I have to say the more I've been riding the less effective I think the mod is. Today on the way home my bike seemed unresponsive while cruising at around 3K rpm. When I twisted the throttle to accelerate it seemed to have a dead spot then take off after turning the throttle more.

I'm thinking of just disconnecting it. I'm surprised that some guys think it makes a major difference because I didn't think so. Maybe I got one of the bad ones too.

Guess I'll give him a ring.
 
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Throttlejockey said:
I have to say the more I've been riding the less effective I think the mod is.
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+1. At first I thought it made quite a difference, however the more I ride the more I feel it is back to it's old snatchy ways. I don't have any of the other problems, just the snatch at low speeds.
 
Re: Fuel Cut Eliminator for ST - On-Off Throttle Issue Resolved

After working flawlessly for a couple of weeks my FCE also started to act up. Accelerating from 3,500 rpm nothing would happen for a few seconds and then the engine would catch and the bike would accelerate normally. The bike acted as if there was water in the fuel. After adding some water remover to the gas and running the tank to almost empty I refueled at a different station but the problem persisted. After seeing some of the recent posts with similar symptoms I removed the FCE and the problem disappeared. I contacted Ivan's and my FCE is on it's way back to them for testing.

A couple of things I did notice: the problem seems worse when the outside temperature is extremely hot-I wonder if one of the components within the FCE are failing at high temperatures?
-When the FCE is working correctly the heat from the right side is definitely lower. When it is malfunctioning the hot air just pours out from the right side-even worse than with no FCE.

I hope that it is just a case of a few bad units early in the production process because when it works it is a real improvement over stock.

:confused:
 
Re: Fuel Cut Eliminator for ST - On-Off Throttle Issue Resolved

I just removed mine. I'll take it out for a ride tomorrow.
Not sure about the early production issue because I just got mine recently.
 
Re: Fuel Cut Eliminator for ST - On-Off Throttle Issue Resolved

OttawaST: Where exactly is yours located? Mine should arrive in the next day or so. I'm hoping to install it before a trip to Knoxville this weekend. I plan to install mine so that I can experiement with placement in case there's a heat related problem.

Thanks!
 
Re: Fuel Cut Eliminator for ST - On-Off Throttle Issue Resolved

There isn't much heat in that area.
 
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I'm also thinking about installing mine in conjunction with a switch so that I can easily turn it on and off if I need to experiment.
 
Re: Fuel Cut Eliminator for ST - On-Off Throttle Issue Resolved

OttawaST said:
After working flawlessly for a couple of weeks my FCE also started to act up. Accelerating from 3,500 rpm nothing would happen for a few seconds and then the engine would catch and the bike would accelerate normally. The bike acted as if there was water in the fuel. After adding some water remover to the gas and running the tank to almost empty I refueled at a different station but the problem persisted. After seeing some of the recent posts with similar symptoms I removed the FCE and the problem disappeared. I contacted Ivan's and my FCE is on it's way back to them for testing.

A couple of things I did notice: the problem seems worse when the outside temperature is extremely hot-I wonder if one of the components within the FCE are failing at high temperatures?
-When the FCE is working correctly the heat from the right side is definitely lower. When it is malfunctioning the hot air just pours out from the right side-even worse than with no FCE.

I hope that it is just a case of a few bad units early in the production process because when it works it is a real improvement over stock.

:confused:
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Your description is very similar to what was happening to me over the past weekend on a 3 day trip to western Colorado. The temps were up to 104 (according to the ST's temp gauge) at times but always pretty hot all 3 days. That's when mine was acting up the worst and very much like you described above.

I noticed a bit more heat coming from the bike but don't recall if it was from one side or the other. I just wrote it off as being so darn hot that I was just feeling the overall heat.
 
Re: Fuel Cut Eliminator for ST - On-Off Throttle Issue Resolved

Well, I don't think it's temp related since it was in the 70's here today.
 
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