(FCE) Fuel Cut Eliminator for ST1300 - On-Off Throttle Issue Resolved

[FLSTRDR]

Re: Fuel Cut Eliminator for ST - On-Off Throttle Issue Resolved

I have run into an interesting problem since installing the FCE. At first all was fine the abruptness all gone for around 150 miles. Stopped and filled up with Chevron gas. After about half a mile rinning in the steady 3000-3500 rpm range (trying to stay in the speed limit) the engine seemed to drop a cylinder and trying to accelerate it hessitated then caught. Thinking I got some bad gas I put in a can of Seafoam. Still the same over the next 40 miles to home. The next week riding to work all seemed fine; however around town no steady speeds. The next weekend all seem fine until we filled up with Chevron again, different station about 10 miles from the 1st) and the same results.

Called Ivan and spoke to him and he wanted me to change the spark plugs as I had over 18,000 miles on them and of course inspect the old plugs. I did that and again stopping and filling up got the same results. Checked the venting on the tank and that was ok. Replace the 5 way vacuum tee for the map sensor and that also ok.

Next weekend I'll unplug the FCE and thry that to see if there is a problem there.

Any Thoughts ??????

Thanks,
Sonny

 

[Skunkape]

Re: Fuel Cut Eliminator for ST - On-Off Throttle Issue Resolved

We just went through a problem with my son's truck. It would run fine until he got gas. Then it would take lots of cranking and stall several times before it would run. We found a piece of charcoal? in his purge valve holding it open. When he would get gas it would force gas/fumes into the engine and flood it. Doesn't really sound like quite the same problem, but maybe in the same area. Please post when you figure it out.

 

[mzeist]

Re: Fuel Cut Eliminator for ST - On-Off Throttle Issue Resolved

..trying to accelerate it hessitated then caught...

I think I have this behavior to. I also think that turning off the ignition and on again (resetting the ECM?) solves it, until it comes back again.

Not tested enough though, so I might be wrong here. Didn't change brand of fuel.

 

[hondaholic]

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I've got the TT 61, Toms air filter, Delkevics and just installed the G2 (and no slack in cable). Was pleased with earlier mods but the the G2 really topped it off, it's like a different bike and at least in my book super smooth. Those of you with similar mods seeing that much improvement over what you had? So far I'm not planning to take the plunge, just curious, hard to imagine smoother performance than what I have now.

 

[Mellow]

Re: Fuel Cut Eliminator for ST - On-Off Throttle Issue Resolved

I've got the TT 61, Toms air filter, Delkevics and just installed the G2 (and no slack in cable). Was pleased with earlier mods but the the G2 really topped it off, it's like a different bike and at least in my book super smooth. Those of you with similar mods seeing that much improvement over what you had? So far I'm not planning to take the plunge, just curious, hard to imagine smoother performance than what I have now.

Yup, it's smoother...

It's possible the crimped connections are off? I soldered mine as I hate using connectors like that for something not easy to get to and check.

 

[Throttlejockey]

Re: Fuel Cut Eliminator for ST - On-Off Throttle Issue Resolved

Anyone have substantial mileage with one of these? I don't know why, but my throttle action is really bugging me lately and I think I will give this mod a shot.

 

[ST460]

Re: Fuel Cut Eliminator for ST - On-Off Throttle Issue Resolved

I have run into an interesting problem since installing the FCE. At first all was fine the abruptness all gone for around 150 miles. Stopped and filled up with Chevron gas. After about half a mile rinning in the steady 3000-3500 rpm range (trying to stay in the speed limit) the engine seemed to drop a cylinder and trying to accelerate it hessitated then caught. Thinking I got some bad gas I put in a can of Seafoam. Still the same over the next 40 miles to home. The next week riding to work all seemed fine; however around town no steady speeds. The next weekend all seem fine until we filled up with Chevron again, different station about 10 miles from the 1st) and the same results.

Called Ivan and spoke to him and he wanted me to change the spark plugs as I had over 18,000 miles on them and of course inspect the old plugs. I did that and again stopping and filling up got the same results. Checked the venting on the tank and that was ok. Replace the 5 way vacuum tee for the map sensor and that also ok.

Next weekend I'll unplug the FCE and thry that to see if there is a problem there.

Any Thoughts ??????

Thanks,
Sonny

I too ran into the same hiccup after installing the FCE. my plugs are new, only had 1000 miles on them. Every now and then, in first gear, the bike would not want to go pass 3,500 RPM, if I held the throttle there, then in a second or two, it would catch and launch forward. If I shift into second gear when this RPM barrier arrives, the bike would run just fine. Or, if I roll-off and roll-on again, the bike would accelarate just fine. Now I know what to expect and to do, it is not a big concern to me. It never happens when I roll on like I meant it. It happens when I am lackadaisical with the throttle.

I think the FCE wants to anticipate whether I want to roll-on or roll-off or keep steady. Perhaps the FCE is learning the riders habit like some automatic transmission in a car.

I had similar experience with the Power Commander on other bikes. I was never satisfy with the mapping, I was forever playing around with the 3 buttons or downloading something. There were always some glitches I wanted to eliminate. Since the installation of the FCE, my ST1300 is so much smoother and easier to ride, I am not going back regardless, but if you find out more from Ivan about this glitch, please let me know. Thanks.

Kenny

 

[ST460]

Re: Fuel Cut Eliminator for ST - On-Off Throttle Issue Resolved

Anyone have substantial mileage with one of these? I don't know why, but my throttle action is really bugging me lately and I think I will give this mod a shot.

You can't call yourself a Throttle Jockey when you are bugged by the throttle . I have 700 miles on the FCE under different conditions. It is smooth beyond words, but it does have some idiosyncrasies. Please read my earlier posting today.

Since the installation of the FCE, I can disengage the clutch completely after the bike moves forward about 3 feet compare to the 10 to 15' of clutch slipping before. I can smoothly ride in stop and go traffic or in a congested parking lot in first gear to any legal speed without feathering the clutch. only thing I worry is that I soon will forget how to use the friction zone. LOL.
Kenny

 

[STPaulK]

Re: Fuel Cut Eliminator for ST - On-Off Throttle Issue Resolved

I too ran into the same hiccup after installing the FCE. my plugs are new, only had 1000 miles on them. Every now and then, in first gear, the bike would not want to go pass 3,500 RPM, if I held the throttle there, then in a second or two, it would catch and launch forward. If I shift into second gear when this RPM barrier arrives, the bike would run just fine. Or, if I roll-off and roll-on again, the bike would accelarate just fine. Now I know what to expect and to do, it is not a big concern to me. It never happens when I roll on like I meant it. It happens when I am lackadaisical with the throttle.

I think the FCE wants to anticipate whether I want to roll-on or roll-off or keep steady. Perhaps the FCE is learning the riders habit like some automatic transmission in a car.

I had similar experience with the Power Commander on other bikes. I was never satisfy with the mapping, I was forever playing around with the 3 buttons or downloading something. There were always some glitches I wanted to eliminate. Since the installation of the FCE, my ST1300 is so much smoother and easier to ride, I am not going back regardless, but if you find out more from Ivan about this glitch, please let me know. Thanks.

Kenny

Sounds to me like a lean spot has been created at 3500. Isn't the FCE just a dumb box? I don't think it "learns" anything.

 

[Greenst]

Re: Fuel Cut Eliminator for ST - On-Off Throttle Issue Resolved

Does anyone have any knowledge as to whether this device is suitable for UK spec ST1300's. I have a problem when particularly above 1000m altitude (French Alps for example) there is a momentary delay in throttle response usually on tight bends.........

I have just fit one of these to my uk spec st1300 on an 2002 plate,No problems will let you know what I think after a few miles are done with it

 

[Metalman]

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Throttlejockey---- I have about 3000 miles on mine now, including around 300 in the Texas hillcountry this weekend at CheapSTOC. I had removed my G2 throttle tamer around 2000 miles ago to see if I could live without it. The smoothness is such that I won't be putting it back on. 3000 miles isn't much but enough for me to know that the FCE is a keeper---
Jim

 

[Skunkape]

Re: Fuel Cut Eliminator for ST - On-Off Throttle Issue Resolved

FLSTRDR, did you get to try to unplug it yesterday and see if it made any difference? I know it wasn't a good weather day.

Other than those that have spoke up, any problems? Everyone else still pretty happy?

 

[Throttlejockey]

Re: Fuel Cut Eliminator for ST - On-Off Throttle Issue Resolved

I think I'll give it a shot once I get back from my trip.

 

[brandanharmon]

Re: Fuel Cut Eliminator for ST - On-Off Throttle Issue Resolved

My install is still working great after about a month. Love the smoother performance at low speed and constant throttle. I installed it using the supplied connectors.

After reading about some of the issues here, I tried to re-create a "flat spot" at various rpm's and speeds and could not replicate the reported problems. I do have the increased fuel pressure regulator in place and do not plan to change it out.

 

[FLSTRDR]

Re: Fuel Cut Eliminator for ST - On-Off Throttle Issue Resolved

Chuck,
Haven't had the chance to do the test yet . I had to order a part to replace the one I damaged when trying to drill out a screw that the head rounded off. Just got that part so maybe the next couple of days I'll do the test of back to stock. Plus the grandchildren just came to town for a stay and extra time during their visit is scarce.
Sonny

 

[old fard]

Re: Fuel Cut Eliminator for ST - On-Off Throttle Issue Resolved

Just installed the FCE last weekend. What a difference! Smooth is the operative word. The one thing that convinced me to change was practicing the "Friction Zone" taught in Jerry Palladino's "Ride Like a Pro" where at very slow speeds (1-3 mph) you apply a little rear wheel brake while holding the throttle at two times idle speed an then controlling the bike speed with sliding the clutch. BTW: I am not real keen on sliding the clutch. When practicing this the throttle was difficult to control and the engine it quit a couple of times. Now this is not a great situation at 2 mph with your feet on the pegs and the car behind you is getting anxious. With the FCE it was a "piece of cake." Jerry states that it will improve the balance of the bike at slow speeds. I tried it and it seems to do just that. Great for parking lots when packing double.

Having said that, have any of you used this "friction zone" of Jerry's and experienced any clutch issues?

Three cheers for Ivan and the FCE, time will tell on the "friction zone".

 

[ST460]

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Old Fard,
I have the same Motorman DVD. With The FCE, I cut the time I need to use the friction zone to about 20% of before. It is a lot easier of my left hand now. As matter of fact, I was waving at an oncoming rider at an intersection, a split second after the light turned green, and he was still way too busy with his clutch to reply. I could see from his reaction that he though I had a maxi-scooter till he had a good look at the side of the ST.

I was told that the clutch of a motorcycle doesn't wear like a car clutch, some kind of wet clutch, so the prolong use of friction zone would cause no damage. The ST is water cooled, so you don't have to breeze out the engine like the motorman suggested for the air cooled Harleys. I found with the linked brakes on the ST, keeping the RPM a little higher than 2 times idle, say 2500 to 3000RPM gives me the best result for slow control.
Kenny

 

[Skunkape]

Re: Fuel Cut Eliminator for ST - On-Off Throttle Issue Resolved

Well I couldn't contain myself, I ordered one. Can't wait.

 

[Blrfl]

Re: Fuel Cut Eliminator for ST - On-Off Throttle Issue Resolved

(This is getting a little off-topic; let's take it to Riding Techniques.)

BTW: I am not real keen on sliding the clutch. ... Having said that, have any of you used this "friction zone" of Jerry's and experienced any clutch issues?

I was told that the clutch of a motorcycle doesn't wear like a car clutch, some kind of wet clutch, so the prolong use of friction zone would cause no damage.

The clutches in Japanese bikes are bathed in oil and are designed to be used that way. Some of H-D's models are the same way but they use oil that's kept separate from the engine. BMWs, some Ducatis and a lot of race bikes run dry clutches.

The friction zone is an essential part of low-speed riding. If you're not using it, you're missing out.

--Mark

 

[mzeist]

Re: Fuel Cut Eliminator for ST - On-Off Throttle Issue Resolved

If you're not using it, you're missing out.
--Mark

Hi Mark, English is not my native tongue, could you please explain what you mean here?