I don't get it...

Wow that's really....erm... really.... meh....

As a work of art it looks spectacular, but with 1000Nm of torque will be quite interesting to ride in the rain for those that can afford to buy it and insure it.

I guess I am getting to the point where I just want a sensible touring bike that does what it should.... Oh wait, I have one of those......
 
Uncle Phil said:
I told you that should have kept it - think of the money you would have saved... ;)
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I had to sell my red to buy a car so i could move here. Money comes and money goes. I have to confess i got a great deal on the beemer. Including delivery! Farkled out the yin yang. Could not say no.
And, i didnt like the 700 im still trying to sell. A good bike, but not my type.
I did a few loops this summer and its def different.
Found myself discussing investments, diversification and white collar plans. Got a girl named muffy now. We beemer guys feel bad for u honda riders.
 
Pop-Pop said:
We beemer guys feel bad for u honda riders.
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No need to feel bad for us just because we don't have "Grey Poupon" dispensers on our motorcycles like you BMW folks ... ;)
I don't even like "Grey Poupon" anyway! :biggrin:
 
Firstpeke said:
Wow that's really....erm... really.... meh....

As a work of art it looks spectacular, but with 1000Nm of torque will be quite interesting to ride in the rain for those that can afford to buy it and insure it.

I guess I am getting to the point where I just want a sensible touring bike that does what it should.... Oh wait, I have one of those......
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Yeah, I looked at that torque figure and said "so what". The Marketing folks need something to make you feel like it is worth spending so much money. And when you've spent that much money, it is there for bragging rights and when you try to explain to others why you spent so much money.

But the truth is that you'll never use that much torque...ever. The bike has to have some kind of traction control to tame it so mere mortals can survive getting it out of the dealer parking lot. The more relevant figure is the acceleration time. It tells me that no matter how much torque you can say it has, in reality the limiting factor is the tire contact patch. And it can only handle so much torque before it spins uselessly.

It's a toy. An expensive toy. A useless expensive toy.

Chris
 
flyfisher said:
Or maybe more fun than you an handle.....
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Nah. I learned a lesson a few years ago. Several Canadians came south over the border to ride the backroads in the US. Washington was a speed bump for them. I was in triple-digits trying to keep up over the North Cascade highway at times. We headed south into Northern California and then started working our way back north. They had mapped out routes for each day that stayed on some of the curviest and least traveled roads in each state. It took me about 1.5 days to adjust my riding mentality to keep up with them. After that, it was no problem at all.

The predominate bike in the group was the Kawasaki Concours C14. There was also one ST1300 and one BMW K1600. All the bikes were modified and I'm sure they were putting out 160 hp at the rear wheel. I had my puny BMW F800GT that optimistically put out 90 hp. I should've been totally outclassed, but I wasn't.

That was the summer I realized that the hp ratings are there for the Marketing department to convince you that whatever you have is sooo passee. On a twisty road, there's only so much hp that can be used before the rider can't react fast enough or his tire contact patch is overwhelmed and he departs the road. Even in straight-line acceleration, the rational mind will only use so much of a bike's capabilities. If that happens on bikes with far less torque...that 1000 nm torque is never realized.

A Kawasaki H2R will get to 60 mph (100 kmh) in 2.9-3.0 seconds. Why is this incredible EV motorcycle so much slower at 3.5 seconds? :D

Nah...it's not more than I can handle. And again, my lowly F900XR is faster at 3.2 seconds. I get all the fun I desire from that. At a third of the cost. :D

Chris
 
ST1100Y said:
... why such an otherworldly, impractical, unsuitable design... :unsure:

no payload abilities...
not suited for passengers...
obviously not suited for even the slightest rainfall...
individual taste and slaps vary, but I find it revolting...

If they really want "the big change", why don't they build something useful and make it look at least a little more appealing...
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to clarify my previous post, the same criticisms could be made of this ICE model, which has been selling for decades. Not everyone likes/wants the same things as us.

the styling of the eBike seems pretty similar to this, replace the V-twin with the electric motor and they're not all that different in style.
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Somebody said, "Where's the axle?"
the motor is inside the rear wheel, and is also the axle.
 
dwalby said:
to clarify my previous post, the same criticisms could be made of this ICE model, which has been selling for decades. Not everyone likes/wants the same things as us.

the styling of the eBike seems pretty similar to this, replace the V-twin with the electric motor and they're not all that different in style.
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Totally true. But...how much do you pay for it? Probably not $45K...plus tax, plus delivery fees, plus dealer prep, plus ...

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I gotta say the hubless/axless wheel is some pretty cool tech. It's not the first bike with a hubless rear wheel but to my eye it's one of the slickestl

A review: https://arstechnica.com/cars/2024/0...the-verge-ts-pro-electric-motorbike/#comments

No doubt it's pricey and that is a hurdle. But it's not like they could sell it for $15K. They can't sell it as a loss leader product and make it up in volume. The tech will get cheaper to some degree. Horses were once cheaper to own and maintain that the first horseless carriages. Oh wait...

I'll just wait until this new wave of prosperity rolls in. Then I'll get an Ultra in green and one in yellow. There will be cheaper models. I doubt I'll ever own one but that's purely a matter of cost. The Ultra fully kitted is MSRP $49000. That'd cost me six months allowance!

I'd seriously consider taking a test ride — in a heartbeat.
 
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