Rear shock recommendation

Gymbo said:
As a larger guy (over 300 pounds in riding gear) I find the OEM even at max preload is undersprung for me, especially when the bags are loaded for a trip.
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Checking title/specs this gets quite obvious: official max payload are 200kg/441lbs... quite a slim range for packing 2 plus luggage for a 2 week trip...

lets take my, rather average figures as example:

Rider in gear: 115kg/254lbs
pillion in gear: 95kg/210lbs (average airline passenger weight: 80kg/176lbs ;-) )
both panniers: 30kg/66lbs
top case: 15kg/33lbs
tank bag: 15kg/33lbs

total: 270kg/595lbs.... uoops... :eek::
 
broc11 said:
I fitted a Wilbers, very pleased with the difference, then again it was bound to be a big difference because the oem shock was horsed.
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Now I've heard of something being 'lunched' to indicate broken, or worn out or trashed, but horsed? I like it!
 
ST1100Y said:
lets take my, rather average figures as example:

Rider in gear: 115kg/254lbs
pillion in gear: 95kg/210lbs (average airline passenger weight: 80kg/176lbs )
both panniers: 30kg/66lbs
top case: 15kg/33lbs
tank bag: 15kg/33lbs

total: 270kg/595lbs.... uoops...
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Are those your actual riding weights Martin? Hardly average I think! For one thing, the panniers are only rated to 20 pounds each max.:confused:
 
Bush said:
For one thing, the panniers are only rated to 20 pounds each max.:confused:
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Yes... rated...
And what gets actually packed? The full 35ltrs RKA pannier liner *stuffed* with clothing, shoes, chargers, necessaries, etc... (when there is a missus, sometimes her bag is so crammed that I've to beat it like a punch-bag to get the lid closed... :roll:)

But start a poll to see what folks actually have on payload...
 
ST1100Y said:
Yes... rated...
And what gets actually packed? The full 35ltrs RKA pannier liner *stuffed* with clothing, shoes, chargers, necessaries, etc... (when there is a missus, sometimes her bag is so crammed that I've to beat it like a punch-bag to get the lid closed... :roll:)

But start a poll to see what folks actually have on payload...
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:potstir1: :D Seems to me I remember a recent post of yours outlining how another poster, taking the missus along for the first time, should instruct her that it isn't a fashion show and to learn how to pack spartan-like.
 
Bush said:
...instruct her that it isn't a fashion show and to learn how to pack spartan-like.
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Yes, but then they get really inventive on finding ways of compressing and increasing density of all that crap in there... :lol:
 
You guys who stick with the OEM shock as a replacement... Do you also use the factory spring or do you go aftermarket on that? ARE there aftermarket springs that fit the factory shock?
 
ST Gui said:
Do you also use the factory spring or do you go aftermarket on that?...
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When refurbing the '94, I found the shock mounts/eyes badly worn out (and also the damping was pretty much gone) and simply threw a well preserved, low mileage shock from eBay at it... the cost efficient solution...

On the quick I found that Hyperpro offers replacement springs/kits for the ST1100 (page 9 on the *.pdf):
http://hyperpro.com/en/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2015/03/Hyperpro-Replacement-springs.pdf
http://hyperpro.com/en/springs/
(IMHO does a kit, consisting of fork and shock springs make a lot of sense, due the matching characteristics...)

And IIRC also Wilbers offers springs...
 
I got an offer for a 6K-miles-old shock from 2001 ST1100 ABS. Looks like it's compatible with my 1998 ST1100 non-ABS, but I would like to check with you guys. :D
 
Afan said:
I got an offer for a 6K-miles-old shock from 2001 ST1100 ABS. Looks like it's compatible with my 1998 ST1100 non-ABS, but I would like to check with you guys. :D
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The ABS-models (as well as the P-spec ones) have the black coil, which is a bit firmer then the blue one from the standard/non-ABS ones...
Despite that, it should physically fit without any issues; just check if the nylon-bushings inside the mounting points are OK.
 
ST1100Y said:
The ABS-models (as well as the P-spec ones) have the black coil, which is a bit firmer then the blue one from the standard/non-ABS ones...
Despite that, it should physically fit without any issues; just check if the nylon-bushings inside the mounting points are OK.
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John OoSTerhuis said:
It'll work fine, Afan.
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Thanks.
 
ST1100Y said:
The ABS-models (as well as the P-spec ones) have the black coil, which is a bit firmer then the blue one from the standard/non-ABS ones...
Despite that, it should physically fit without any issues; just check if the nylon-bushings inside the mounting points are OK.
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So what was the rationale for a firmer spring on the ABS/police spec machines?
 
Bush said:
So what was the rationale for a firmer spring on the ABS/police spec machines?
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ABS have more stuff in them, making them heavier, P-spec carrying all the flashy equipment with same result?
Dunno for sure though, only observed that they all have a black coil...
 
ST1100Y said:
ABS have more stuff in them, making them heavier, P-spec carrying all the flashy equipment with same result?
Dunno for sure though, only observed that they all have a black coil...
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Yes the abs bike is heavier,the suspension is set up based on the average Japanese test rider though as far as I know,put maybe a 250lb rider,plus passenger plus luggage and the stock suspension is well overloaded.
Since I upgraded the suspension the bike is totally different,it was expensive but the best money I've invested in the ST.
 
broc11 said:
,the suspension is set up based on the average Japanese test rider
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This has always been my belief! Every Honda I've ever owned was dreadfully under sprung and I've never been a heavy weight. OTOH my Duc's suspension felt supple and never bottomed out. Marzocchi shocks and springs?

You think they'd increase the spring rate for bikes headed outside of Asia. Or at least to the US.
 
ST1100Y said:
The ST1100 was never intended for the Japanese market and fully designed by Honda Europe/Germany... ;-)
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oops my bad:) softly sprung all the same, suppose when the shock and springs were brand new they were a lot better than they were on the 11 year old ST1100 I bought,new suspension is great though,corners on rails now.
 
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