Anyone install the STS self cancelling turn signal module?

paulcb said:
I haven't read this entire thread but you guys are spending $200 on device to cancel your turn signals? :confused:
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That part I understand- it can be a serious safety issue for some riders. I ride with someone who I have seen almost be wiped out several times because he always forgets to turn his turn signal off so other drivers, believing that he is turning, pull out in front of him. No matter what he just cannot seem to get in to the habit of cancelling his turn signals. He has spent way more than this on see-me lights. For him this would be a very wise and cheap investment. What I don't understand is this, or any similar product, not having the capacity to retain all of the motorcycles OEM lighting functions (this should be a given in the design phase) with clear instructions right out of the box on how to accomplish this. With this particular product it sounds like a case of poor or incomplete instructions and not poor design which is very good. This is not a $25.00 flasher buzzer however. I agree with Pete- at this price range poor or incomplete instructions are still unacceptable in my opinion.
 
Andrew Shadow said:
That part I understand- it can be a serious safety issue for some riders. I ride with someone who I have seen almost be wiped out several times because he always forgets to turn his turn signal off so other drivers, believing that he is turning, pull out in front of him. No matter what he just cannot seem to get in to the habit of cancelling his turn signals. He has spent way more than this on see-me lights. For him this would be a very wise and cheap investment. What I don't understand is this, or any similar product, not having the capacity to retain all of the motorcycles OEM lighting functions (this should be a given in the design phase) with clear instructions right out of the box on how to accomplish this. With this particular product it sounds like a case of poor or incomplete instructions and not poor design which is very good. This is not a $25.00 flasher buzzer however. I agree with Pete- at this price range poor or incomplete instructions are still unacceptable in my opinion.
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Understood. Maybe some eyesight level indicator lights to remind him his blinker is on?
 
paulcb said:
I haven't read this entire thread but you guys are spending $200 on device to cancel your turn signals? :confused:
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Guilty as charged.

I don't know why, and I am not an inattentive driver or rider - but for some danged reason, I seem to leave the winkers on a significant percentage of the time - and I fully agree that it is dangerous.

I have installed v8-7's excellent turn signal LEDs on the edges of the mirrors and I am coiling up to put some vertically oriented LEDs on the upper dash to point at the windscreen as sort of a HUD "heads-up" as soon as the weather warms up a bit - but the excellent functionality of the STS unit (except for the hazard flasher issue) is just too good to pass up for me.

dang-it.

BTW - in connecting the mirror edge LEDs I found the ideal low current connectors: RC model aircraft servo extension leads.

They are available for a few bucks a model AC shops and come as a male-female pair with a length of high quality stranded 3-conductor copper wire (as much as 12-24") on each end. These leads are reliable and secure and that makes them ideal for LED-type circuits because they are small and light and yet they're easily able to carry the current for LEDs. I used them in the ST1300 turn signal circuits to enable me to detach the mirror housings easily. After connecting the leads, I covered the connectors with a short length of heat shrink and then sealed each one with a heat gun to keep the connections secure and dry.

Pete
 
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DavidR8 said:
I wrote to Mark and asked for an ST1300 specific STS wiring diagram.


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You should also mention that there is a whole group of folks waiting for this response who have bought his product and we have (I have included myself) in various occasions tried to contact him with this particular question and haven't had a real answer or a diagram as such. For as how we are a group of concern ST riders we know other ST or other bike riders that could we recommend the product (great quality) but the delivery documentation is not accurate and crappy


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Yup
That's exactly what I said to Mark.
I appreciate that everyone is frustrated with the vagaries of their instructions and I'll do my level best to sort out a solution.


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paulcb said:
Understood. Maybe some eyesight level indicator lights to remind him his blinker is on?
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I used a variation of the ACL Turn Signal Reminder Thingy and pretty much reduced the incidents of RWB. But as God as my witness I LOVE the idea of self cancelling turn signals just like in my car.

The GoldWing has 'em so do some BMWs. I want red wheels for my ST too. And the STS works much better than those systems (as long as you don't need your hazard flashers).

But that may be taken care of shortly.
 
DavidR8 said:
Yup
That’s exactly what I said to Mark.
I appreciate that everyone is frustrated with the vagaries of their instructions and I’ll do my level best to sort out a solution.
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Good - and again, David - thanks for taking the lead on this. I have bought TWO of these bloody STS things and as noted, you get better instructions on a Big Mac from a pimply-faced teeny-twit in a McDonalds.

ST GUI: my 1979 Suzuki GS850G had self-cancelling turn signals nearly 40 years ago (do I sound like Walter Brennan of the Real McCoys?) and they really, truly worked well. They didn't have the snazzy accelerometers - they just employed a simple algorithm based on time or distance depending on the road speed. I found that they always did what I wanted them to do - and I never had any difficulties with the system at all.

Of course, the GS850G didn't have hazard flashers....but it DID have a fuel gauge and a gear position indicator that also worked perfectly.

Pete
 
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My V65 Sabre also had self cancelling turn signals. They worked ok. Better when the road matched the algorithm.

Cars used to have mechanical spark advance manual choke and carbs. Now there's FI. I'll be happy when the wiring is sorted. I love a good accelerometer. Even my phone has one. :rofl1:
 
Well, connectors arrived yesterday from Vintage Connectors. Eagerly pulled open the package; not what I'd ordered (non-latching vs. latching).

I may still move ahead with building up the harness while I wait for the replacement latching connectors.
 
Al-Hala said:
Well, connectors arrived yesterday from Vintage Connectors. Eagerly pulled open the package; not what I'd ordered (non-latching vs. latching).

I may still move ahead with building up the harness while I wait for the replacement latching connectors.
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Al-Hala:

Can you quote the part number for the correct connectors? I haven't gotten inside my fairing yet - but I would like to have everything ready if possible.

Thanks,

Pete
 
While we were waiting for the wiring options to be confirmed (and it seems they have been now),, I decided to install the foam discs into the turn signal switch. I thought I had done a good job of cleaning up the switch,, with about 3 applications of contact cleaner on the opened up switch,, and some swabbing with a Q-tip. That freed the switch up,,, and then a dose of an electrolytic lube spray had the switch functioning smoothly. Prior to adding the discs,, the signals were functioning on/off normally. Then,, I put the discs in,,, which prevents the latching feature that maintains switch contact till cancelled. Suddenly it was very difficult to get the signals to come on,, even momentarily. I really had to push unreasonably hard and hold the switch over,, to get the signal to come on. There may still be dirt in the contacts,, and now the discs are preventing contact to be made as easily as before. Or the discs may be too thick or hard (I did use the thinner pair). Anyway,,, it is not going to work satisfactorily like this. I am going to have to fix this before continuing with the STS install,,, Cat'
 
Yes Pete,,, I am not faulting the STS at this point. I think it more likely that a previous owner or servicer shot some non-electrolytic lube into the turn signal switch,, and that has become gummy with dirt over the following years. With normal travel and pressures,,, the switch was marginally functional. But the STS discs limit travel and pressure at the contacts. I must get this sorted out,,, or the STS install will not be reliable. Other installers of the STS might want to keep this experience in mind,, and do the switch mod first,,, to test and see they have a similar situation. Cat'

MaxPete said:
Hmmmm...well, most people have said that it does take a little experimentation to get the foam disc switch function just right.
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Catmandu2 said:
Yes Pete,,, I am not faulting the STS at this point. I think it more likely that a previous owner or servicer shot some non-electrolytic lube into the turn signal switch,, and that has become gummy with dirt over the following years. With normal travel and pressures,,, the switch was marginally functional. But the STS discs limit travel and pressure at the contacts. I must get this sorted out,,, or the STS install will not be reliable. Other installers of the STS might want to keep this experience in mind,, and do the switch mod first,,, to test and see they have a similar situation. Cat'
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I have seen in you tube installs where they slice the disk with an exacto knife an then that makes the perfect thickness


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DavidR8 said:
Update:
I asked Mark for an ST1300 specific diagram. I haven't received a reply back.


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I hope he replies back and doesn't sweep it under the rug, I am saying this because usually he responds within 12 hours of somebody sending him an email


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Thanks Rx,, yes, I have been doing a bunch of reading,,, and found several postings to that effect. One chap even had success using a set of base pads from a table clock that he had. The trick is to get easy momentary positive contact, without having the switch latch. Here is an article where the reviewer describes what he plans to do. Cheers, Cat'

http://www.motorcycle.com/products/mo-tested-smart-turn-system-self-canceling-signals

Rxlane said:
I have seen in you tube installs where they slice the disk with an exacto knife an then that makes the perfect thickness
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Catmandu2 said:
Thanks Rx,, yes, I have been doing a bunch of reading,,, and found several postings to that effect. One chap even had success using a set of base pads from a table clock that he had. The trick is to get easy momentary positive contact, without having the switch latch. Here is an article where the reviewer describes what he plans to do. Cheers, Cat'

http://www.motorcycle.com/products/mo-tested-smart-turn-system-self-canceling-signals
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In the article he mentions “bike specific wiring diagramâ€. I'm very confident he means ‘manufacturer specific' as I doubt STS is producing model specific diagrams.
I suspect that some colour coding is the same across bikes from the same manufacturer.


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Rxlane said:
I hope he replies back and doesn't sweep it under the rug, I am saying this because usually he responds within 12 hours of somebody sending him an email


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I've been thinking about this a lot (too much?) and I think that I might trace the wire from the signal relay and find where it splits into two for the flasher and the hazards.

If someone has their bike opened up at the moment I'd really like to see pics of the wires on the bike side of the connector.


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