Ive always wondered why moly was recommended in such high concentrations. Normally its purpose is to fill microscopic imperfections on surfaces so oil can function in optimum conditions. Ive only used moly, Loctite...but i would use some faulk grid grease no problem. But the moly is much easier to clean...lol
Spline Grease
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Sandy just passed away this summer.So is this:
I'm old enough to have seen this in the theater. Still iconic.
I did, too. I was the first one in the theater to laugh aloud when Eve Arden said, "If you can't be an athlete, be an athletic supporter!" on the P.A.
rwthomas1
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It wasn't directly aimed at the topic, merely that blind adherence to the Service Manual isn't always needed, or required, and can even make things worse.
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It was always a puzzle to me, packing these monster bearings only to come along afterward and find all of the grease had worked it's way out of the bearing surfaces; my millwright friend sent me a bearing I had tagged and replaced aug/94, still [maybe anyway] running in a fan shaft some odd 28 years later in continuous service.
What I often recall when I pack these bearings, and come back and check pillow blocks afterward, is that nearly all of the grease works it's way toward the outer case; my theory goes; these bearings do not rely what so ever on lubricant; they are hardened rollers riding on hardened races, and frankly scarlet, don't give two ____ whether there's a film or not; they are metal to metal, they are not riding on a film of grease, moly or oil; I think the moly [or grease] preserves the metal, and that's all. babit bearings, poured bearings, so on enable a film of cross sectional area which assists in "flotation" of journals, roller bearings do not, wake up... these are hardened compliant surfaces.
What I often recall when I pack these bearings, and come back and check pillow blocks afterward, is that nearly all of the grease works it's way toward the outer case; my theory goes; these bearings do not rely what so ever on lubricant; they are hardened rollers riding on hardened races, and frankly scarlet, don't give two ____ whether there's a film or not; they are metal to metal, they are not riding on a film of grease, moly or oil; I think the moly [or grease] preserves the metal, and that's all. babit bearings, poured bearings, so on enable a film of cross sectional area which assists in "flotation" of journals, roller bearings do not, wake up... these are hardened compliant surfaces.
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The Big Book (Section 16 - 10) specifies an application of 3g (0.11oz) of Moly to the splines, unsure if this amount will work it's way out onto the wheel rim...?
I wonder.........
......... Would anybody really weigh 3g of Moly (or whatever flavour you prefer) Paste.What am I saying
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I didn't bother - maybe that's why my wheel rim turned grey! 
Ray. I seem to remember, somewhere in the dim and distant, someone posting that a squiggle of said substance on a toothbrush was just the right amount. Mrs Fawlty is so pleased that her best kitchen scales will remain in pristine condition.I wonder.........
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I bet her toothbrush is in a state though.Ray. I seem to remember, somewhere in the dim and distant, someone posting that a squiggle of said substance on a toothbrush was just the right amount. Mrs Fawlty is so pleased that her best kitchen scales will remain in pristine condition.
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Use of (way) too much will seal-in an air pocket, making it hard to install the wheel...
“Designed specifically to extend the durability of high speed sliding spline teeth in racing applications, spline grease utilizes a high viscosity synthetic base to create enhanced thermal stability and oxidation resistance, while a proprietary anti-wear additive package is fortified with moly for excellent wear protection. Perfect for sprint car drivelines, cambered rear housing axles and drive plates.”
The ST's have a spline assembly that calls for GREASE in the service manual, this is because the shaft has the splines cut into it, in the rear housing, and you must use grease because it will be in an area with gear lube etc.
I believe the driveshaft splines on your motorcycle are not the same application as the product in your description etc.
As far as mixing paste and grease together, folks have tried that before you.
Alot of damage was found underneath this mess.
I believe the driveshaft splines on your motorcycle are not the same application as the product in your description etc.
As far as mixing paste and grease together, folks have tried that before you.
Alot of damage was found underneath this mess.
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I still have my secret stash of Honda Moly 60 paste. I’ve been using it on my Super Tenere(s) splines since selling the ST1300 years ago. Two tubes have been cut down for easier access to the good stuff.
PSA - Look at your nearby NAPAs for Loctite LB 8012 moly paste | Discounts / Group Buys
Found one about 40 miles away that had it in stock, not available to ship. They are having their "bucket" sale, 3 items @ 20% off. This resulted in: 8 oz. container 50% off the Amazon cost!
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Anyone (uh hem, Igofar), got a picture of what a good spline looks like and a picture of one properly greased with spline lube?
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skidgillen ~ The photo below is of the one I replaced, eBay had a few ST's being broken so I sent the sellers this pic to ensure the replacement wasn't showing the same wear.
Steve,skidgillen ~ The photo below is of the one I replaced, eBay had a few ST's being broken so I sent the sellers this pic to ensure the replacement wasn't showing the same wear.
Don't know if you've already posted, but do you know the full history of this drive, miles and lube etc.
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