Spline Grease

All this talk and insults and nobody bothered to look up the composition.
 
Upt' North said:
9000 miles with one application of lube is a good test of the grease mentioned. It's difficult to argue differently.
I used Loctite because I didn't want to risk failure and others had found it acceptable but the results here seem to show that there's more than one way to skin a cat. I have no reason to doubt the findings of the OP.
I think some here seem to be being a little hard on ASPC, didn't all recommendations come from posters trying something different and finding it works, then in turn that being adopted by others.
FWIW.
Upt'North.
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It would be less difficult to argue if we actually saw what was underneath all the grease on inside splines.
Perhaps there is damage there that our OP has not seen or noticed?
I think its a little early to claim victory, and start trying to convince others to follow suit, without inspecting it further.
 
ASPC said:
This is grease. It also says it is suitable for low to moderate loads and low speeds. Unlike the grease I use which is suitable for high pressure loads and high speeds.

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You do realize this is NOT the same Honda M77 stuff that folks buy at the Honda dealerships right?
However, this would be a much better choice than any of the HP greases your wanting to try.
 
ASPC said:
All this talk and insults and nobody bothered to look up the composition.
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We're usually a fairly congenial group, but reading back through some of the posts, including mine, I understand if you feel we're ganging up on you. Something about moly paste that drives us to distraction. :)

Apologies if we've crossed the line from spirited feedback to just being rude or demanding.
 
ASPC said:
Think I will try this next.

www.crcindustries.com

Sta-Lube®Sta-Plex™ Extreme Pressure Premium Red Grease, 14 Wt Oz

A superior multi-purpose certified lithium complex based NLGI #2 grease. Contains extreme pressure, anti-wear, & anti-oxidation additives. Ideal for high temperature & performance applications. Drop point 500°F
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Nothing stating it is designed, or will work with Splines in a driveshaft.
And the fact that it states it works with bearings of any type should be a flag.
I respect folks who think outside of the box, however, why are you trying so hard to find any type of grease to work in an application that calls for a heavy paste?
I dare to say I've probably opened up and inspected Hundreds of ST spline assemblies in the past several years, and have seen folks use everything from Red grease, antiseize, bearing grease, tractor grease, assembly lube, and several different types/brands of Moly paste(s) etc.
And most, if not all, of the damaged splines I've personally seen, have been caused and/or damaged by everything except various pastes etc.
 
ASPC said:
All this talk and insults and nobody bothered to look up the composition.
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Nobody is insulting anyone, and you are correct that the HONDA stuff currently sold is more GREASE than PASTE.
Even though the advertising call it paste, if you read the description (application) the product states that it should be used WHENEVER THE SERVICE MANUAL RECOMMENDS APPLYING MOLYBDENUM DISULFIDE GREASE.
I'm pretty sure if you check your service manual, it states clearly to use paste and not grease on the splines etc.
Which could explain why several folks have been finding damage to their splines after Honda discontinued the M60 and replaced it with this stuff.
The picture you found is of the current stuff Honda is offering. The stuff John spoke of is made by a completely different company, and just shares a similar name.
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Willsmotorcycle said:
Actually it's paste, zoom in, it says paste. I use it and it is definitely paste. I add a molly grease to keep it from solidifying as others have mentioned.
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Will, you want to be careful mixing some greases and pastes, as mixing them together, will actually cause them to separate and leave the area etc.
 
I know it says paste on the tube but if you look at the composition it is grease. Oil, lithium soap and moly. That is grease. And according to the manufacturer it is suitable for use in low to moderate pressure, low speed applications. :rofl1: Again like oil, because that is all it requires. Honda oil, Honda paste.. good enough.
 
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I have decided to upgrade from my previous grease to this. It is suitable for high speed, high pressure applications. Unlike M-77. :pAB143442-4D2C-4DFD-8E9A-23C95E1744C8.jpeg
 
On the sta-lube disk brake wheel bearing grease the four ball wear test result is 0.75 mm. On the sta-plex red grease it is 0.54 mm. :thumb:
 
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Even if "several people" actually step forward and speak in the first person that they experienced excessive or abnormal spline wear using the product that Honda currently recommends for this application or some other grease or paste outside of Honda's recommendation and they have actual first person service history........... that they actually applied the product or knew what exactly product was applied and they knew how it was applied in what quantity and when..... EVEN THAT would be statistically insignificant that 1 to 3 splines wore in a manner to draw attention or require replacement.

Get a grip people. We mention BMW final drives failing in large numbers like it's stone cold fact and here is internet blather about maybe 1, 2, or 3 out of thousands of ST1300s sold in the USA. There is a reason people sell Honda final drives for next to nothing..... there is no demand for them. I have a boxed up ready to ship 2004 low mileage (the tire still had the nibs on it) final drive assembly with the driven spline and a drive shaft boxed up sitting on a garage shelf for maybe 15 years now. I tried to give it away several years ago and had no takers.
 
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What puzzles me is why Honda recommends a friction modifier in a static application. Moly, impressive. Wonder how much money they make on that little tube of lithium grease. :thumb::rofl1:
 
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Clean your splines completely, then use your new red grease, and inspect it, and post pictures after a couple thousand miles.
I would be really surprised if you find your red grease still in place on the splines.
I’ve got some of that in the garage, but i personally would not use it on the driveshaft splines.
Let us know how it turns out.
 
I have a question for the OP.
If you still have the wheel off, or if you are upgrading your grease, can you clean and wipe off the grease in this area and re post another picture?
It may just be the picture, or the quality of it on my phone, but those streaks may be shelving damage starting.
 

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