Replacement for the Honda ST1300 in 20??

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Re: Replacement for the Honda ST1300 in 2014? A short article with responses.

Well, I love the CB750. I love the Triumph Bonnie. There's a Scrambler downstate that, if a couple grand falls into my pocket, will make it into my stable. I just think that if Honda is doing a retro UJM, they should do THE UJM. A completely updated, retro-styled CB750.

Perhaps its because I've seen so many baby poop brown UJMs (so many of 'em faded to BPB) that another one makes me yawn. Still, I hope Mother Honda sells enough of 'em to keep them in the lineup, but no so many that they decide to "go all in" with retro bikes.

Here's hoping your mysterious rich benefactor comes through for ya.
 
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Re: Replacement for the Honda ST1300 in 2014? A short article with responses.

Haven't see prices, but one could probably buy a pristine 70s CB750 for less and have something that's appreciating.
 
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Haven't see prices, but one could probably buy a pristine 70s CB750 for less and have something that's appreciating.
Ahhh memories, I had a 1976 CB750K1 and sold it on Ebay about 4 years ago, it had about 5,100 miles on it and it was mint down to the owners manual. Original tires , bulbs, no scatches. I was very surprised that it went for $3,350.00, and ended up in St.Louis. Nothing but pictures left.
 
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IMO BMW is hitting the bull's eye with the F800GT. To me a really good bike would be a VFR800 with ST1300 ergos, adjustable wind shield and belt drive with hard bags. Somewhere around 500 lbs wet.
 

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Re: Replacement for the Honda ST1300 in 2014? A short article with responses.

IMO BMW is hitting the bull's eye with the F800GT. To me a really good bike would be a VFR800 with ST1300 ergos, adjustable wind shield and belt drive with hard bags. Somewhere around 500 lbs wet.
I wish reviews of the BMW F800 didn't so frequently include words like coarse, thrashing, and vibration, but the bike is light. The VFR gets described with words like smooth, powerful and refined but it weighs a lot more. Since a VFR800 weighs 551 pounds with hard bags and a full tank of fuel and a Tiger 800 is 462 pounds wet (but without bags), a really good bike would be a Tiger 800 with upright ergos, adjustable wind shield, belt drive and hard bags -- voil?, a Trophy 800. That could probably end up somewhere around 500 lbs wet, perhaps a tad over. Sign me up for that one.
 

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Re: Replacement for the Honda ST1300 in 2014? A short article with responses.

To me a really good bike would be a VFR800 with ST1300 ergos...
There is just such a thing out there but we lowly Americans are not worthy.

Honda Crossrunner

They would probably only sell 2 or 3 of them if they brought it stateside. George would be first on the list.

Upright ergos, proven, magnificent engine, suspension is good as per reviews, travel bags available, light, etc.

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Chain before belt for me. There's a reason no dirt bikes use a belt (discounting the Buell Ulysses.)
 
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There is just such a thing out there but we lowly Americans are not worthy.

Honda Crossrunner

They would probably only sell 2 or 3 of them if they brought it stateside. George would be first on the list.

Upright ergos, proven, magnificent engine, suspension is good as per reviews, travel bags available, light, etc.

CROSSRUNNER-10.jpg
I like it, Jeff, but way too heavy. I want a 450 ADV bike at ~300 lbs. Would prefer 2 cylinders but Aprilia is the only company with an engine and it's fragile.
 
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A 6th gear or spread the 5 out a little (for those of us who can't afford the $$$ or time to do the re-gear). There's plenty of torque in the motor to handle it. Fewer revs at highway speeds for better MPG (why does a 2600 pound Civic get almost the same MPG as my 750 pound ST?).

Some place to attach accessory alternate foot pegs. On long trips it's nice to be able to change things up a bit.
 
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It would be interesting to know the thinking behind Honda's gearing. Dont know where they were aiminig for the sweet spot.
As for MPG
1- your right wrist
2- aerodynamics, a motocycle is about the same as a cinder block.
 
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Re: Replacement for the Honda ST1300 in 2014? A short article with responses.

A 6th gear or spread the 5 out a little (for those of us who can't afford the $$$ or time to do the re-gear). There's plenty of torque in the motor to handle it. Fewer revs at highway speeds for better MPG (why does a 2600 pound Civic get almost the same MPG as my 750 pound ST?).

Some place to attach accessory alternate foot pegs. On long trips it's nice to be able to change things up a bit.
Because the Civic won't go 0-100mph in under 11 seconds.
 
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Re: Replacement for the Honda ST1300 in 2014? A short article with responses.

Some place to attach accessory alternate foot pegs. On long trips it's nice to be able to change things up a bit.
Your tip over bars are the place ... Steed sticks and MCL (Motorcycle Larry) foldup hwy pegs are 2 options. A quick search on this site will give you numerous threads with pics. I've seen other solutions at gatherings as well.
 

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Stop thinking Bill--you're making too much sense. :D
 
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Are we done holding our breath?? And no 2013 ST1300 on powersports website. Maybe the bobber Wing is it???
 
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Since writing the article on the new model likely to be introduced to replace the ST1300 in 2014, Triumph has launched the Trophy SE. Triumph started working on the development of in 2007 and has clearly produced a state of the art sports tourer to compete with the BMW R1200 RT, ST1300, Concourse, and FJ1300.

Simon Warburton, Triumph Project Manager said, “When we started we looked at the Pan European, the R1200RT and the FJ1300 because in 2007 those were the three best in the class. As we always do we evaluate them, work out what are the best bits of the best bikes, and try to beat them” (Two Wheels, January 2013, p.14).

Interestingly, Triumph decided to incorporate many of the features that I suggested should be incorporated in Honda’s upgrade of the ST1300. As well as this, Triumph obviously likes the styling of the ST since the Trophy looks a lot like the ST when viewed from the front.

http://www.cycleworld.com/2012/09/07/2013-triumph-trophy-1200-se-first-ride-review/

In a comparison of the ST with the 2013 FJ1300 and Concourse, Motorcycle.Com note that “with no U.S. model ST scheduled for 2013, prophesying a revamped ST for 2014 is a tasty fantasy for sport-touring enthusiasts.”
http://www.motorcycle.com/shoot-outs/2013-sporttouring-shootout-10-video-91504.html

They suggest that with less weight, slightly more power and contemporary electronics the ST1300 may well claim top spot in comparison to its competitors in the Sports Tourer category.

From my perspective, after owning the ST1300 for two years and posting 13,000 kilometres plus a little track time, I like the bike more than ever and have no regrets about purchasing it. For me it’s still the best bike in this category taking into account the engine, handling, storage capacity, long-term reliability, comfort, aerodynamics, and styling. As I’ve said in the original article, the key thing Honda has to do is to retain the longitudinally mounted V4.

Finally, before buying my ST1300 I did a lot of market research in the year prior to buying my ST. Originally I was going to buy a BMW R1200RT- then I found out about the reliability issues with it's drive train- including talking to a local long-term BMW owner who said- "You've got to watch out for the shaft drive- they are unreliable and cost a lot to get fixed". The big problem with the reviews of motorcycles by bike mags is that they all tend to read like advertorials. The reason is simple- if they give a bike a really negative review they are unlikely to get more bikes to test from the manufacturer's distributor. Furthermore, these are brief tests of new bikes- they give no real indication of how well a bike is likely to perform over the long haul. In New Zealand the five years from new depreciation on a BMW RT is around $10k greater than a Honda ST13000- that says a lot about the comparative long-term reliability of the two bikes.
 
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Thanks for such so good analysis of the market of two wheels for touring. Good information that makes that we can be sure that our choice is the best for money. The best bike for me is the GT1600. But you have to double your investment, or near.
And as far as we are all on February the 14 Th... We have to think that we are not alone on our unstable saddles...
 

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Re: Replacement for the Honda ST1300 in 2014? A short article with responses.

Add electronic cruise control, heated grips, better wind management via fairing control like the new FJR and windscreen redesign, single-sided swing arm to reduce weight, tire pressure monitoring system (may interfere with Ride On users), traction control implementation, improved suspension - increase rear spring weight and better dampening/spring rates in the front shocks, perhaps a slightly longer wheel base to decrease front-end speed wobble, enhanced gear ratio for smoother top-end cruising.
 

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Re: Replacement for the Honda ST1300 in 2014? A short article with responses.

Add electronic cruise control, heated grips, better wind management via fairing control like the new FJR and windscreen redesign, single-sided swing arm to reduce weight, tire pressure monitoring system (may interfere with Ride On users), traction control implementation, improved suspension - increase rear spring weight and better dampening/spring rates in the front shocks, perhaps a slightly longer wheel base to decrease front-end speed wobble, enhanced gear ratio for smoother top-end cruising.
Honda has one of those, it's called a GoldWing.. LOL!!!!
 
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