Anyone install the STS self cancelling turn signal module?

Two days ago I asked Mark of STS about the hazard light issue.
This is his response.
“Hi David

The problem is, that all the wires, including the one to hazard switch have to be connected to STS. And many customers dont do this. So this is the solution.

So you will have light blue, orange and gray wires for turn signal switch and only one of this wires will be duplicated. You have to also cut that wire and connect it to STS.

Does that make any sense to you?

Regards
Markâ€

As I'm not done the install this doesn't make sense to me.
Does it make sense to anyone else?


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DavidR8 said:
Two days ago I asked Mark of STS about the hazard light issue.
This is his response.
“Hi David

The problem is, that all the wires, including the one to hazard switch have to be connected to STS. And many customers dont do this. So this is the solution.

So you will have light blue, orange and gray wires for turn signal switch and only one of this wires will be duplicated. You have to also cut that wire and connect it to STS.

Does that make any sense to you?

Regards
Mark”

As I’m not done the install this doesn’t make sense to me.
Does it make sense to anyone else?


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Bafflegab -that doesn’t make sense at alll.

Pete
 
The problem is, that all the wires, including the one to hazard switch have to be connected to STS. And many customers dont do this.
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Ok so are many customers not following the enclosed instructions? And which wire is the one to the hazard switch?

The instructions show a wire going to the flasher relay. But nothing that I see as going to the 'hazard switch'.


MaxPete said:
So you will have light blue, orange and gray wires for turn signal switch and only one of this wires will be duplicated. You have to also cut that wire and connect it to STS.
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And no that makes no sense to me either. WHICH one of the wires is the 'duplicated' one and HOW is it 'duplicated'. I don't see that in the diagram.
 
I had a look at the wiring diagram and I think that I have a sense of what Mark is talking about.
I think he means that the ground coming out of the hazard switch must also be connected to the unit.

The hazard switch has blue and orange wires which connect to the same colours of the right and left side respectively of the turn signal switch.
From the diagram it appears these connections occurs on the switch-side of the red connector so only one wire comes out of the plug for each colour.

However the ground for the hazard switch does not merge on the switch-side, only after the connector.
For the hazards to function either both the grey and the pink/grey need to be connect to the unit or the connection needs to happen after the pink/grey wire connects to the main grey wire to the flasher unit.

So if we're snipping the wires close to the connector, could the issue of non-functional hazards be a result of connecting to the grey wire before the pink/grey is 'in-line'? Essentially the hazard switch ground is not running through the unit.
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I have sent a version of this content to Mark at STS. I will report back.
 
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I received this reply from Mark:
“Hi David

Thats exactly what i was saying. And just a little correction. The pink wire, which you said was ground for hazard is really the flasher wire, the same as the gray for the turn signals, which you highlithed in wiring. There is a pulsating voltage on this wire.

In order for the hazards to work properly there are two possibilities:

1) You can divide hazard switch wires from the turn signal switch wires and totally bypass the STS

2) You can cut only pink wire near the connector. Connect the part that goes into connector to blue STS wire. Connect the other part that goes into hazard switch to brown STS wire

In your case i would prefer option number 2 because you only have to cut one wire and connect it to STS. STS has built in hazard function, so everything will work perfectly.

Regards
Markâ€

As I read this option 1 the hazards bypass the STS completely. Option 2 uses the flasher signal normally used by the hazards instead of the signal that runs to the signal switch.

I re-drew the STS diagram with the colours as described by Mark.
Does this make sense?
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Thanks for digging into this,,, David. I have the STS unit hard mounted. It was easily done,,, as I had all the plastics and dash out for other purposes. I have also cleaned and lubed the turn signal switch,,, which was acting up,,, but operates normally now. It was pretty dusty inside,,, (with only 14 year use), and I had to go in there anyway to install the foam pads which modify the switch function. I anticipate that I will be installing the thinner of the two pad sizes. One good thing I noticed is that our switch design is not upside down,,, so the pads will stay in place more naturally. Regardless, I will use a dab of electrolytic grease on them, for stability.

I just want to make sure I am understanding your diagram,, and Marks comments correctly. Colors can vary from computer to computer. Your diagram is option #2 ?? And the grey wire (called out in the instructions) is being replaced by the pink (perhaps with a white stripe) wire ?? And this is being done to maintain normal hazard light function ??

I think I will clip wires tonight,,, if I am confident about which ones I should cut,,, cheers,, Cat'
 
Thanks for the details. I wasn't even aware my 4 ways were inoperable. Next time I have the tupper ware off the left side I will correct the wiring.
 
Thanks Cat.
Yes my diagram is option 2.
Please let us know how it works out.
And fair warning that I am NOT an electrical expert but I am good at tracing coloured lines :)


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DavidR8 said:
And fair warning that I am NOT an electrical expert but I am good at tracing coloured lines
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:rofl1:


DavidR8 said:
Please let us know how it works out.
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An old TV episode (Alfred Hitchcock Presents ?):

Two bomb techs are trying to defuse the same type undetonated bomb (at different locations) and are discussing the procedure over radio (yes radio). After much discussion as to what to do next (new model bomb):

BT1: I'm cutting the blue wire and pulling the detonator reflex framis link. But doesn't because he's not sure it's the next step.

BT2: OK doing same. When he does hidden contacts close (to foil BTs) on
BT2's finger and don't detonate the bomb. BT2 realizes what's happened.

IIRC he debates as to whether or not to say 'Ok!' without mentioning the booby trap or do The Right Thing. I think he does TRT.

Don't know why that popped into my head. :)
 
Since my LH switching is all opened up,, I can see the wire color codes right up at the turn signal switch, and the hazzard switch. The wires at the hazard are orange, blue and pink c/w white stripe. The wires at the turn signal switch are orange, blue and grey (there is also a green wire present,, as per the 1st diagram). I am going to wait for Mark's reply to David's revised diagram,,, before cutting anything. I am afraid that if I cut the wrong wire,,,,KABOOM !! Besides,,, I am forkless,,, so it is not like I can do much testing. Thank goodness there is no countdown timer,,,, Cat'
 
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Pink and grey at the hazard switch is correct. The diagram I made is pink and grey, it just doesn't show up that well.

Totally understand wanting to wait though!

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That is exactly what I did - though instead of crimping the pink with the gray, I made a Y connector - pink in one arm, gray in the other arm, and the leg to the appropriate color on the STS module. And got no flashes at all. It worked fine before I cut the pink, and after removing the STS and connecting the colored wires back together, they worked as if I'd never played with them. I must have blown the device up, but i have no idea how that happened.
 
From Mark:
“Hi David

No that is not correct. Correct would be if the pink and gray wires would be connected together to brown on handlebar switch side and on blue STS on motorcycle side. So you have both, PINK AND GRAY wires connected to our unit.

Regards
Markâ€

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Thanks for everyone’s efforts - but really, it’s not like Honda is some obscure minor brand of three-wheeled scooter built in Outer Mongolia.

Also, the ST1300 will almost certainly have the same turn/hazard wiring as the Gold Wing and many other large Honda’s - so, an investment by STS in proper instructions is not an unreasonable request.

The best thing would be for STS to stop screwing around with individual email messages containing foggy verbal instructions - and provide all purchasers with a clear, unambiguous wiring schematic for large Honda’s.

It makes no sense for us to be guessing and risking damage to a $200 device - or to our bikes. They should stop peppering us with unsolicited email adverts and support their product properly.

Just my $0.02.

Pete
 
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MaxPete said:
The best thing would be for STS to stop screwing around with individual email messages containing foggy verbal instructions - and provide all purchasers with a clear, unambiguous wiring schematic for large Honda’s.

It makes no sense for us to be guessing and risking damage to a $200 device - or to our bikes. They should stop peppering us with unsolicited email adverts and support their product properly.
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Can he get an 'amen'?

Couldn't agree more. Mark said something about people not wiring the STS to include the hazard lights but I don't think the included instructions shows to do so.

At this point he/they should realize the instructions are inadequate and a new diagram/schematic are in order.
 
MaxPete said:
It makes no sense for us to be guessing and risking damage to a $200 device - or to our bikes. They should stop peppering us with unsolicited email adverts and support their product properly.

Pete
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I haven't read this entire thread but you guys are spending $200 on device to cancel your turn signals? :confused:
 
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