Anyone install the STS self cancelling turn signal module?
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So just to continue this little issue,,,, I took the 2 small supplied foam disc's out,,, and verified that the switch was functioning properly. I was about to go shop something thinner to replace them with,,, when I notice the box of sticky back velcro that I had used to help mount the STS controler with. I cut a couple of strips of hook side,,, and a couple strips of loop side. This is the standard velcro,,, not the HD stuff,,, and I cut the strips about 4 hook rows wide,, which just fit into the switch cavity's. The loop side strips still resulted in too much pressure. But the hook side is pretty close, if just still a bit on the heavy side. The hooks will likely fatigue, with use, time and heat. So I peeled the adhesive strip off the backs,,, and put them in place,,, cycled the switch,,, and it works without latching. I am getting good at tearing down the switch assembly,,, so I will see how it goes. Time to move on,,, Cat'
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So,, bit of an update,, I went ahead and completed the (gulp) connections,,, as per the modified instructions. Cutting 4 wires total, in the switch harness, just above the red plug-in connector. It is far from a road test,,, as the forks are still off the bike, and we received 6" of snow today. But the flashers and hazards both work as would be expected. I did not need any extra connectors, as I just jammed both the pink and grey wires into a single connector on each side of the cut switch harness wires. The wad of connectors is going to need a weather proofing wrap of some kind. But those connectors seem to attach and plug in pretty firmly. Thanks to David,, for scratching up the new wiring info,, just in the nick of time,,, Cat'
ps: now on to the hd video recorder install !!
ps: now on to the hd video recorder install !!
I'm planning on using self sealing Butyl tape for mine. It's worked well in the past for such things.
Hello,MaxPete.
Just succeeded in getting the tupperware off; was going to complete installation of the F2 bulbs first, then start on the STS. My proper connectors are still en-route, but thought I'd get set up. Unfortunately, the new-to-me ST1300 has been...modified. Where I expected to see a set of male-female 9p connectors, I see one just hanging in the breeze... Signal lights still function, as does hazards, so obviously I've some tracing to do.
To answer your question, Vintage Connections MC9 (NON latching M/F) shell fits perfectly on the remaining male connector, so I'll assume the MCL9 M/F (the latching one I actually ordered) will fit as well.
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Great stuff!
Can you shoot a couple of pics of the wiring?
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I saw that hanging plug as well. I suspected that it was a plug in for something optional that I did not have on my bike,,, like the factory stereo,, or ABS ?? Any way,,, I used it to tap a ground and switchable 12v for the STS. Cat'
Not as much to see now,,, as I have got the harness's tucked up against the frame. I believe they need to be so,,, in order to allow for the LH map pockets space. As mentioned,,, I will figure out some kid of weather shield for the connector bundle. I may even use a bit of PL100 dielectric penetrating lube to reduce corrosion in the crimps. Cheers,, Cat'
Thanks for the part number - very handy!
That dangling plug might be the famous quartet harness connector which is specifically for connecting accessories. There are several very informative threads on the quartet harness.
That dangling plug might be the famous quartet harness connector which is specifically for connecting accessories. There are several very informative threads on the quartet harness.
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You are correct! (as I discovered this morning).
I have this tendency to push until I (temporarily) lose IQ. Such was the case last night. I knew it had a quartet harness installed (since it has the OEM heater), but it was late and I was pushing through trying to identify from the manual (which of course doesn't show that harness). The colors and number of connectors I saw didn't match the representative image I had (which I've since found to be ... questionable?. Internet. I know better).
This morning, while tidying up (I'll spare your eyes the whole story), I stumbled across the bookmark I'd saved last year on the harness https://www.st-owners.com/forums/showthread.php?7682-ST1300-Quartet-Harness-Pinout.
This, of course, proved that once again, I was troubleshooting when I should have been shooting sleep-sheep (...). As you might expect, it took me about ten minutes to pull the boot covered actual RED 9P (just like the manual states) out of the tucked away spot and start going over it.
This morn, I'm finishing up the F2 installations, then likely draining the coolant (found the remote res. dry), then installing the G2 throttle tamer.
After that, I'll likely find a spot for the STS system, and get back to building the harness.
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Turns out the issue was between Keyboard and Chair. It turns out its the 9p from the Quartet Connector; I was thrown by late night work and the fact the connectors didn't match the image I had of the quartet (which now turns out to be suspect).
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Not as much to see now,,, as I have got the harness's tucked up against the frame. <snip/> Cheers,, Cat'
Thanks Cat, that's exactly the photo I was looking for. I wanted to see the two wires going into the one connector to make sure I fully understood what was to happen.
@SMSW is that what you did to no avail?
One word of advice for others doing this install. Much to my surprise,,, my biggest struggle was with the turn signal switch. After all,,, it is modified with just two simple foam discs,, right ??. But this was complicated by the fact that my switch was not working perfectly to begin with. And, that the smaller foam discs were too thick and hard for the desired result. I have had my switch apart 3 times,, and maybe not finished there yet. So make sure your switch is operating properly,,, and then start your installation by getting the switch converted and operating reliably (changed from "latching" to "momentary").
Hey,, has anyone used this heat tape ?? If I order some,, I think I could make a nice oragami shroud for my bundle of red plugins.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B075RBYGF...gj&pd_rd_r=VAM6CD4JDGT0CN4319KK&pd_rd_w=kO3Iy
Hey,, has anyone used this heat tape ?? If I order some,, I think I could make a nice oragami shroud for my bundle of red plugins.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B075RBYGF...gj&pd_rd_r=VAM6CD4JDGT0CN4319KK&pd_rd_w=kO3Iy
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Regarding the need to have a smooth and positively functioning turn signal switch,,, I found this video with some good Honda specific stuff in it,,, Cat'
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ob4JWFQ6aTc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ob4JWFQ6aTc
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I have not heard back from Mark @ STS.
Oh well, Cat has blazed the wiring trail for us.
Thanks Cat!
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I have not heard back from Mark @ STS.
Oh well, Cat has blazed the wiring trail for us.
Thanks Cat!
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I was curious but didn't want to bug you about it.
Maybe Mark is busy making a new hazard flasher-inclusive wiring diagram. It could happen...
But as wiring the STS according to the original diagram eliminates the function of the hazard flashers it seem disingenuous of Mark do say that some people aren't wiring it to include the flashers.
I've only used my hazards once while approaching a collision that had a pick up truck airborne a few feet above traffic (but only for a few seconds and it landed like a cat) not even their intended/required use case.
But unknowingly sacrificing them for the STS is unacceptable. Neither is knowingly doing so acceptable to me. I should probably write and politely demand a refund. Wouldn't get it but maybe Mark will come through.
Agreed - with all the advanced technology they put into the STS device, software and integration - their weak support and winky instruction set is simply.....stupid. To encourage people to wire the device into a large modern sophisticated motorcycle and knowingly impair a key safety function (the hazard flashers) just because their instructions are so poor - is totally irresponsible.
If they handled this matter properly, they could sell way more product and possibly even become an OEM supplier - but crummy customer support is a red flag to big companies (Air Canada, United Airlines and Starbucks Coffee excepted - of course).
Pete
If they handled this matter properly, they could sell way more product and possibly even become an OEM supplier - but crummy customer support is a red flag to big companies (Air Canada, United Airlines and Starbucks Coffee excepted - of course).
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No worries, I'm not expecting to hear back from him to be honest. My rationale is this: if he makes a bike-specific diagram for us then he's stated down a path he's obviously trying to avoid given the generalized diagram that's provided.
As an aside, I've watched a number of install videos on different bikes, a Versys 1000 for example, asked if the hazards stlll work (yes) and looked at its wiring diagram to try and understand how they are wired up.
I cannot imagine that every owners is contacting STS to sort out specific wiring issues.
The solution as Cat bravely tested out is to run the grey and pink/grey into the brown of the STS. Why that works must have something to do with the internal function of the STS.
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Hi all:
Well I guess all the griping and poking has done the trick because I got a note from Mark about the wiring issue and I think it clears up the matter.
I am travelling on business right now so I’m on my iPad, but just before I left the office I compiled Mark’s helpful note into a small .pdf document which I will post in a couple of minutes.
Please stand-by.
Pete
Hi all:
Well I guess all the griping and poking has done the trick because I got a note from Mark about the wiring issue and I think it clears up the matter.
I am travelling on business right now so I’m on my iPad, but just before I left the office I compiled Mark’s helpful note into a small .pdf document which I will post in a couple of minutes.
Please stand-by.
Pete
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Hi again:
OK - attached is the .pdf note that I compiled from Mark's email to me of yesterday (19-4-2018) as well as the two figures he sent with marked up ST1300 LH switch wiring schematic and the full ST1300 wiring diagram. BTW - the full schematic prints very nicely on 11"x17" paper.
As you will see from the note, it is clear that he has heard about our difficulties and seems puzzled that we having the problem. I edited out a bit of the back-and-forth for brevity, but basically, in this and in earlier correspondence I have pointed out to STS that while they are all electrical and software wizards, most of us out here in biker-land simply are not. Anyhow, first I need to put out a couple of small but important caveats:
1) I have not tried the steps that Mark laid out in his email to me, but they seem in accord with Cat and David's notes EXCEPT for the step in point 2) below.
2) NOTE the extra step in Mark's note AFTER the calibration of the STS unit but BEFORE making the hazard switch connection.
The key point is - PLEASE READ MARK's note carefully.
I am jammed with work (dang-it) so I won't have time to try this for a little while,, but I'd sure like some feedback on what is written.
In closing, let me say that Mark seems to have come through for us in a pretty graceful fashion which, after the slagging in this thread (much of it from me) is admirable. As I did say above, STS folks have done a great job on the technology and I sure hope they pick up on their customer support. Perhaps this whole episode has given them a push in that direction.
Cheers,
Pete
OK - attached is the .pdf note that I compiled from Mark's email to me of yesterday (19-4-2018) as well as the two figures he sent with marked up ST1300 LH switch wiring schematic and the full ST1300 wiring diagram. BTW - the full schematic prints very nicely on 11"x17" paper.
As you will see from the note, it is clear that he has heard about our difficulties and seems puzzled that we having the problem. I edited out a bit of the back-and-forth for brevity, but basically, in this and in earlier correspondence I have pointed out to STS that while they are all electrical and software wizards, most of us out here in biker-land simply are not. Anyhow, first I need to put out a couple of small but important caveats:
1) I have not tried the steps that Mark laid out in his email to me, but they seem in accord with Cat and David's notes EXCEPT for the step in point 2) below.
2) NOTE the extra step in Mark's note AFTER the calibration of the STS unit but BEFORE making the hazard switch connection.
The key point is - PLEASE READ MARK's note carefully.
I am jammed with work (dang-it) so I won't have time to try this for a little while,, but I'd sure like some feedback on what is written.
In closing, let me say that Mark seems to have come through for us in a pretty graceful fashion which, after the slagging in this thread (much of it from me) is admirable. As I did say above, STS folks have done a great job on the technology and I sure hope they pick up on their customer support. Perhaps this whole episode has given them a push in that direction.
Cheers,
Pete
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