All transmissions can be abused under 5 mph. Should Honda cover a manual clutch under warranty if the owner burns it up with poor technique or repeatedly using 3rd or 4th gear starting from a stop? How about the rider (or car driver) who habitually rests his foot on the brake pedal and warps the brake rotors while wearing out the friction pads? Should Honda replace the brakes for this behavior?I tend to agree that the failure was probably due to how the owner operated the bike but I would think that Honda should clearly state something like “extended use under 5 mph may cause damage to the transmission” or something along that line in the owner’s manual and not on a back page in half sized print. If the transmission design has limited low speed capability don’t keep it a secret from the owner.
This is the opinion of a couple folks in that forum thread, and I tend to agree with that opinion.I tend to agree that the failure was probably due to how the owner operated the bike but I would think that Honda should clearly state something like “extended use under 5 mph may cause damage to the transmission ...
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Well, I'd like to clarify the video ... thats the Mod for that forum site ... he couldn't get the notice in the Weekly Newsletter about that thread's author response from Honda. He's not the person with the low speed issue - he simply read the last minute post, word for word, that the orig thread author wroteThe video seemed a bit 'off' to me, and I don't have nor have I tried a DCT bike. It is simply common sense.
From a couple years ago, related to Ford's class action suit related to their (dry clutch, as I understand it) for the Fiesta and Focus , "Ford has proposed an updated settlement of a minimum of $30 million in cash reimbursement in a class-action lawsuit over problems with dual-clutch automatic transmissions in Focus and Fiesta vehicles."Eeeeeyahhhh.....so, the Gold Wing DCT (or any DCT) is certainly off my list.
You are right, on the other hand there are a lot of folks that drive automatic cars with a torque converter and the need to be careful in low speed maneuvers doesn’t exist so if they transfer that knowledge to DCT transmission they are potentially doing damage so why not be clear about it. I use to drive a Fiat 500 and I talking to an owner of the larger Fiat which had a DCT transmission but he didn’t understand the difference between it and a “normal “ automatic, he was complaining about the car rolling backwards on hills. So he would have benefited from an explanation, which may have been in the manual but like most he didn’t read it.IMHO a large print warning like that is the ones we have warning people "coffee is hot" or "objects in mirror are closer then they appear."
Yup - ALL manufacturers muff something from time to time and produce crummy products - so having a problem isn't..._"the problem". The way in which they handle these problems is actually the most important thing.From a couple years ago, related to Ford's class action suit related to their (dry clutch, as I understand it) for the Fiesta and Focus , "Ford has proposed an updated settlement of a minimum of $30 million in cash reimbursement in a class-action lawsuit over problems with dual-clutch automatic transmissions in Focus and Fiesta vehicles."
...and that is because most dealers - especially sales people - have approximately ZERO knowledge of new vehicle technology. From my observations, they often don't know a dual clutch transmission from a bowl of Rice Krispies cereal.You are right, on the other hand there are a lot of folks that drive automatic cars with a torque converter and the need to be careful in low speed maneuvers doesn’t exist so if they transfer that knowledge to DCT transmission they are potentially doing damage so why not be clear about it. I use to drive a Fiat 500 and I talking to an owner of the larger Fiat which had a DCT transmission but he didn’t understand the difference between it and a “normal “ automatic, he was complaining about the car rolling backwards on hills. So he would have benefited from an explanation, which may have been in the manual but like most he didn’t read it.
Yesterday, at our weekly motorcycle breakfast someone brought up the recent City of Cleveland lawsuit against Kia and Hyundai. Seems these are so easy to steal that the Cleveland PD is spending some ridiculous amount of time chasing down all these stolen cars.Yup - ALL manufacturers muff something from time to time and produce crummy products - so having a problem isn't..._"the problem". The way in which they handle these problems is actually the most important thing....
OTOH, Hyundai / Kia has had dreadful durability problems with their 2.0 and 2.4 litre Theta (and other model) engines....